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Thirty Years War

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The Thirty Years' War was a series of wars in Central Europe between 1618 and 1648. It was one of the longest, most destructive conflicts in European history. Initially a war between Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmenting Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general conflict involving most of the great powers of Europe, becoming less about religion and more a continuation of the France–Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence.

The Thirty Years' War saw the devastation of entire regions, with famine and disease significantly decreasing the population of the German and Italian states, the Kingdom of Bohemia, and the Low Countries. The war also bankrupted most of the combatant powers. Both mercenaries and soldiers in armies were expected to fund themselves by looting or extorting tribute, which imposed severe hardships on the inhabitants of occupied territories. (Source: Wikipedia)

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Gilaelin and I are going to start playing another historical period in the following weeks: the Thirty Years’ War. We have decided to use 15mm miniatures (scale 1:100) and the rulebook Tercios: Liber Millitum.

Therefore, we will be playing once we have got our armies and we’ll be able to do demos to anyone interested in Fantasiapelit :)

We decide to play 15mm because using the same table (i.e. for Warhammer) you can deploy the double of miniatures and the distances and ranges are indeed reduced. This means that rarely you can start shooting or assaulting from the beginning of the game; and therefore, the movement plays a key role when playing this tiny scale. Thus, this implies a new strategy dimension for many of us ;). And of course, 15mm is cheaper than 28mm!

There different 15mm brands producing 30YW miniatures. The price is something like 0,5cts / miniature. And we are planning to use 1500 points armies, which involved about 150-200 miniatures.

-Totentanz Miniatures: I will use these miniatures. Of course, my army is the Spanish Empire!

-Khurasan Miniatures: Gilaelin's army is formed with these miniataures. He is playing with German Protestants. The guy from khurasan is now on Holidays, but if you google "Testudo Miniatures" you can see the 30YW range.

-Old glory

-Essex

-Others: following this link you can see reviews of different ranges

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About the rulebook, there are also many possibilities: Field of Glory, Pike&Shotte, DBM: reinassance, Fire&Sword, etc...At the moment, we have got the ruleset to play Tercios: Liber Millitum, a new Spanish rulebook. Gilaelin has the English version of the rulebook, so no problem.

Indeed, you can check a shorter version in English here (however, it doesn't includes the rules for generals or the army lists and points): https://www.dropbox.com/s/amxhqrr98vimc ... 9.pdf?dl=0

This game is very simple and fast. It's played with order cards, which determine the action of the different units. And then you resolve the combat and different situations using normal d6 dice. You can see a battle inform here (is in Spanish, yeah :(; but at least you can see how the game table looks):

https://chichimecteamblog.wordpress.com ... de-flandes

And another game to tempt you :P
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If we are enough people we could start playing a historical campaign, using the map of Europe :).

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Re: Thirty Years War

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I'm going to write this message in Finnish as the hour is quite late and my writing skill of English language might not be at its sharpest right now.

HeresyBrush siis antoikin varsin kattavan briefin siitä, mistä hommassa on kyse. Sanottakoon kuitenkin vielä lisäksi, että kyseessä on siis todellakin sangen kevyt ja nopeasti kulkeva peli, joten mitään figupelien Ulyssesta ei tarvitse lähteä tavaamaan tätä kokeillakseen. 15mm todellakin mahdollistaa paitsi pöydällä armeijat jotka näyttävät verrattain enemmän oikeilta armeijoilta kokonsa puolesta, kuin 28mm blokkiarmeijat, myös hintansa puolesta huokeahkon vaihtoehdon. Mistään monen sadan euron panostuksesta ei siis ole 30-vuotisessa sodassa kysymys tällä skaalalla.

Eniveis, omia nappeja ei tarvita - siksi niitä kun on sekä minulla että HeresyBrushilla. Tulkaa katsomaan demopeliä, tai lainatkaa vaikkapa minulta protestantteja ja kokeilkaa miltä tuntuu kalistella miekkoja katolilaisten kanssa. Mainitsemisen arvoinen seikka lienee myös se, että tässä olisi ihmisille ilmaiseksi kokeiltavana jälleen yksi uusi historiallinen peli, joka on nopea ja halpa, mutta täysin erilainen kuin esimerkiksi Saga. Kyseessä on aito blokkipeli, jonka keskiössä on pitkistä keihäistä, musketeista, miekoista, pussihousuista ja haarniskoiduista miehistä koostuvien jalka- ja ratsuväkiboksien liikuttelu. Faban pelajille (varsinkin tässä maailman taitteessa) nämä seikat lienevät kiinnostavia. Ja toisaalta, vaikka faba ei olisi koskaan napannut, mutta blokkitaistelu innostaisi, tässä olisi mahdollisuus kokeilla sitä ilmaiseksi ja aloittaa halvalla.

Parastahan on, että kuten kaikissa historiallisissa peleissä, myös tässä napit soveltuvat moniin muihinkin peleihin. Tericon napeilla ja nappimäärillä pelaa loppuikänsä mainiosti 1600-luvulle sijoittuvia figupelejä, kuten esimerkiksi jo mainittuja raskaampia sääntösettejä Pike&Shottea ja By Fire & Swordia vaikka maailman tappiin saakka.

Mutta tulkaa ihmeessä seuraamaan kun parin viikon päästä demoamme peliä Fantsulla. Ilmoitamme päivän sitten täällä. Ja säännöistä, napeista ja vaikka ajankuvasta saa kysellä vapaasti. Vastaamme mielellämme. =)
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Re: Thirty Years War

Viesti Kirjoittaja Timmon »

Hi,

I'm interested. I have a boatload of old Ottoman 15mm essex metal figures, which are suitable for DRB, and should be for other rule sets (basing permitting). Of course, not all TYW rulesets have the Ottomans, not sure about the one you are trying out. After all, they did not fight in tercios. :)

Looking forward to a demo game! Lets hope Ill be in town at that point.

Br,

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Re: Thirty Years War

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Tericos does not have rules for Ottomans but as the differences of factions mostly come from different formations and weapon options for the troop, I'm sure you could play Ottomans by using some other faction's rules.
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I will ask to the creators of the game, because they are constantly working on new rules (for example, they have upload new skills for Generals in their website).
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Good news! The designers of Tercios have just sent to me the beta rules for Otomans ;) So you can use your Otomans as Otomans! The rules are in Spanish, but I think I can translate the important part (that's, the atributes).
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Hi,

It seems that the summer has paralized everything! :( And I'm taking now some weeks off to enjoy a "real" summer in my homeland :P. So Gilaelin and I are planning to seriously start testing the game in October. There is a chance to get published the first expansion book with Otomans by that time (nonetheless, I have the beta and untested rules in my hands).

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Viesti Kirjoittaja Timmon »

Hi,

Please drop a note here before demo-ing at Fantsu, when you get to that point. Would be awesome to use the Ottomans after a long break!

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Perfect! :) Count on it.
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Hi,

Gilaelin and I have been testing the game today. In order to get familiarized with the rules we played a 1000 points battle and the game mechanics seem to be very simple, fast and fun. We would like to play another game to pulish some gaps, and then we would be ready to prepare a very nice demo game!

You can find a battle report here:

http://modelbrush.com/tercios-liber-mil ... tle-report

Furthermore, I have in my hands the Spanish version of the first supplement for Tercios, which includes the Otomans! plus some new rules (and the English Civil War, Polish, Russian, Huns...armies).
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Viesti Kirjoittaja Timmon »

Hi,

Finally I got around to browsing thru the Brevis Edition Tercio rules. Looks interesting, and the battle rep is nice too.

I believe that my 15mm Ottomans in DBM basing shoud be ok for a game of Tercio: all bases are 40mm front, so can be combined to Tercio size nicely. Depth for cavalry is 30mm, infantry 15 or 20mm. So my formations will be bit shallower.

Any plans for a short game in near future?

Br,

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Viesti Kirjoittaja HeresyBrush »

Hi,

I think the front is the most important feature, so it does not matter how depth are your bases.

Perhaps we could arrange another game next week :) Now that we know the rules the game should not last more than 2h! Gilaelin has now the expansion book which includes Ottomans, but we could check it once we are there and I can translate for you the important parts (at the moment it's only in Spanish).

Regards!
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Hi,

We are planning to play our second game next Tuesday (22nd Dec) at 16:00. Feel free to join us if you want to see how the game works! :)

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Hi,

GIlaelin and I are planning to play another game on Tuesday 24th at 16:30h more or less. You are very welcome if you want to see the game or even play (I think that we can split the armies ;)!
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