Ogre Kingdoms +Welffit +muuta sälää

[Anki]

Tuosta Mengilistä porukoineen saisi aika kivan morddisporukan.

Turso, siis tarkoittaako tuo, että ogreilla on vain 1 taikaesine vai, että on saatu tietoon vasta yksi?

[Garoth]

Suomennettunahan tuo kuuluu:

On yksi esine, joka antaa...

Eli kunhan vain mainitaan yksi Ogrejen taikaesineistä...

[Ari]

I was also there and took several looks so I can give some more details (no points or profiles though don't want trouble).
- The attack is called bull charge. If a unit of Ogres (I think of any kind) charges an enemy 6" or more away the enemy gets an impact hit at the ogres strength for each ogre that makes base contact. +1 strenght is added for every ogre standing directly behind the ogre in a 2nd (or 3rd...) rank.
- Gut magic works like this. They have a lev 2 and a lev 4 wizard. They all know all of the 6 spells. All the spells have 3+ but as reported for each time a spell is cast after the first in a round it is multiplied (3+,6+,9+...)
The wizards can keep any number of spells in play but any unit can only be affected by one. For dispelling purposes in following rounds they are treated as complexity 7. The first spell heals the wizard. The magic missile inflicts 2d6 strength 2 hits without armor saves. One spell adds +1 S to a unit, one +1 T and gives regeneration. I forgot the last one. Most of the spells do some kind of damage to the wizards and all the pumping spells have a range of 6" for the lev2 and 12" for the lev 4 wizard.
-the item is a suit of heavy armor that gives a 2+ save against losing the last wound to something different then close combat. (I don't know if we are allowed to post magic items if yes I shall post some more)

[greewer]

Germaanien GD:stä, kaikenmoisia huhuja. Portentista.

I'm not sure if I remember all of the stuff correctly so please don't quote me on anything.

Wood Elves:
As already mentioned, Anthony Renolds is working on the WE armybook and he "has a lot of fun doing that".
One of the reasons why WE are one of the last armybooks on the shedule is that they are not really a that popular army (I guess same could be said about Chaos Dwarfs and DoW) and that one army has to be the last...

According to Gav, there'll not be Centaurs in the WE army, but there'll be the mentioned "Elves + Forrest-folk = WE army book" thing.

Chaos Dwarfs:
Iirc he mentioned something like that it might take 4+ years until there's something going to happen with the Chaos Dwarfs.
When they are going to redo them, they'll be completely redone. Also some of the current aspects will probably stay. E.g. their background around slavery will most likely stay together with maybe some Greenskins (Blackorcs are very likely cause the Chaos Dwarf "created" them after all).
There'll not be more individual CD units like the Hellcannon until the CD book is realeased, cause they want to do them as a complete army, not just some DoW like collection of units.

DoW:
Nothing seems to be really planned so far. The 3 aspects of DoW (common DoW army list, DoW in other armies (maybe along the lines of the latest allies system?) and RoR will stay, but it's not that uncommon if they wouldn't get an army book at all...

Ogre Kingdoms:
They had a few miniatures there. One painted and assembled (sp?) Ogre Bull. Looked a lot better than the one from the preview, but the miniature was also a lot smaller than I expected it to be.
Ogre Tyrant, Butcher, Bruiser (the fighter-hero) and Hunter were the others. Then there were the Scraplauncha (absolutely greta, but again, the Rhinox was smaller than expected) and the Gnoblar Trappers. 8 or 9 different models, smaller than Goblins, some of them were wearing Wolf pelts. Damn cute. Definately a must have.

Pretty much all of the Ogre characters are S5 T5. I think the Butchers are the only ones with S4 T5.
The Tyrant pretty much has Blackorc-lord stats with the exception of slightly reduced WS, but increased number of Attacks. The Tyrant and the lvl4 Butcher are 200 points each.

Ogre Bull charge was correctly explained in one of the other OK@german GD related threads. Ogre clubs are -1 save and the special Ogre shields can be used as shields (giving the additional save for being equipped with HW+S) or add. Hand weapons.

Iirc Lord charactes are the Tyrant and the lvl 4 Butcher, heroes are the Hunter, lvl2 Butchers & Bruisers. No Gnoblar characters. Ogre characters are not allowed to join Gnoblar units.

Ogre characters are allowed to buy titles that work similar to the special ability system of the High Elves or the bloodline abilities of Vampires. In addition every (?) Ogre character is allowed to buy Pet-Gnoblars (e.g. Look-out Gnoblar, Luck Gnoblar (one reroll of a ward/save per battle), Sword Gnoblars (add. S2 hit). Each character is allowed to buy a different number of Pet-Gnoblars where the magic casters are allowed to buy the most of them.

Maneaters are pretty badass. They are immune to psychology and stubborn. In addition they can be equipped in a similar way to characters: different equippment in a unit. One of the items available is the Cathay Longswrod: +1 WS, +1I and armour piercing. Another is e.g. a set of handguns (Ogres are using these similar to pistols...). They are a rare choice together with the Gorgers and uhm...Gnoblar Trappers?

Gorgers have a very similar statline as TK Giant Scorpions and move on the field in later turns as they are attracted by the smell of blood. The system works similar to the "It came from below" rules, but they have to enter the table at a table edge. Unbreakable, killing blow, 75 points.

The Scraplauncha is a mix of a catapult (S3, killing blow, I *think* it uses the large template) and a chariot. 165 points and a special choice. Missfire chart is meant to be pretty funny. One of the results lets the Rhinox charge 3D6 (2D6?) straight forward, cause it got shot in the balls by the catapult it's pulling.

new plastic Giant:
There'll be a new plastic Giant. It'll be about a head taller than the current one and it's meant to be highly customizable: Different sets of arms/hands, heads/whatever.
Took some time till I got some info about that from Jake, but as Gordon wasn't around, he was a bit more liberal to talk freely. Gordon seemed to have the job to make sure that noone was giving away too much info...at least that was what it looked like.

@DoW
What I meant with DoW maybe not getting an army book was that they'll not get a 'real' armybook, but instead they'll get featured in WD. The DoW thing is a pretty big concept if you want to do it right and it might be too much for a single book.
Sure, they did the same for Chaos, but DoW do not have a fanbase of a similar size like Chaos has.

Gav mentioned that Chaos will not be features as excessive as it used to be once the campaign is over. So all you "OMG! Too much Chaos in WD" guys can return to normal soon

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Rise of Sotek:
As said in another thread, it's likely that the HE will not be taking part in the Rise of Sotek campaign. Suddenly the rumour that Finubar will probably not get a model, would make sense...

Rise of Sotek will not be the official name of the upcoming campaign. In addition Gav mentioned that the rumour that Clanrats will get new miniatures during the campaign isn't likely to be true. They'll focus on doing new plastic regiments instead of re-doing existing ones it seems...

The final goal will be that about 95% of the miniature range of an army will be available in plastic.

@new steel mold casting
It seems that the Ogres are made using the regular, old style casting procedure. The steel mold one is more of an experimental state atm and they'll contine to work with it for some some projects. I hope I got that right...if someone knows more about it, feel free to correct me.

@WE miniatures:
They are currently producing WE miniatures, but it's all about 3-up models atm. Iirc the WE will be designed using the old style casting process as well.

While there'll not be any Centaurs in the army, the miniature range will be completely redone and Gav said that we'd most likely not be dissapointed by the final result.

*edit*

@Gorgers:
The pose of the miniatures reminded me of the Scyla, the Chaos Spawn model. Think of one arm risen to the sky and going to hit you over the head the next second. They looked a bit like an Ogre-shark mix, but imo it wasn't *that* obvious.

@Gnoblars
Common Gnoblars are 2 points per model, Trappers are 6 points and have the Scouts special rule.

@captured Giants:
I haven't had the time to read the whole Giant rules, but at the first look they looked very similar to the existing ones. Also the reduced point costs (175iirc) make me think that there must be a small difference. Giants should be a special choice in the OK army, but I expect that there's some sort of restriction (at least I *hope* there is one! 4 Giants in 2000 points? )
Possibly the number of Giants is somewhat connected to the Hunters in the army...that would kinad make sense.

@magic system:

There'll be some sort of change in the future, but Gav couldn't really say when it'll happen. He admitted that the current system isn't working very well (either max out on magic levels or on scrolls...).

There'll be no return to a card based magic system simply cause of the costs it would need to create and translate it for other countries. In addition a card based system doesn't feel right in a dice-game.

He said he'd like Avian's Wind of Magic system btw...


@next edition:
The way the next edition of Warhammer will be done, will most likely be similar to the way they introduced the new 40k system: It'll look and feel more like an update of rules instead of a complete rewrite.

@Q&As
Q&As are official and as I asked if an answer in the Q&As would be able to overwrite existing rules from the rulebook (e.g. how characters with MR in units work). He said that hopefully this wouldn't happen that often, but in case of the magic resistance exaample it was somewhat of a wanted change.

It's possible that the way Q&As are released will slightly change in the future. Seems they are thinking of giving the studio team a seperate section on the homepage. I think he mentioned that it might take some time....6+ month or something like that.


I talked to Jake Thornton about the new "Living Rulebook" project and that it's a great step into the right direction. It seems Fanatic Games was somewhat like a test-field for this (overall sales of the Mordheim Rulebook did not seem to decrease due to the release of the rules as a pdf...) and maybe we'll see something like that happening for the 'mai-games' as well....?

Tässä vielä linkki Avianin vaihtoehtoiseen "winds of magic"-systeemiin, johon gav oli kuulemma mieltynyt.

[Ari]

Tuo Avianin Winds of Magic näyttää hyvältä, toivottavasti jotain sellaista olisi tulossa.

Ogre clubs are -1 save and the special Ogre shields can be used as shields (giving the additional save for being equipped with HW+S) or add. Hand weapons.

Hmm. Aika käytännöllistä.

[Peace]

Tässä vielä linkki Avianin vaihtoehtoiseen "winds of magic"-systeemiin, johon gav oli kuulemma mieltynyt.

Kieltämättä erinomaisen loistavan oloinen systeemi. Tasapainottaisi mukavasti magic phasea kuitenkaan sitä suuremmin heikentämättä tai vahvistamatta.

Nykyään magic phasen kanssa on ongelmana pakollinen minmaxaus - medium magic on yleensä ottaen surkea ratkaisu. Ainoat turnauksissa nähtävät ovat joko 1(2) raullakuski tai sitten 4+3x2 lvl. Tuolla systeemillä 1 ja 3 levelin wizarditkin muuttuisivat mielenkiintoisemmiksi vaihtoehdoiksi kuitenkaan extra levelin arvoa vähentämättä.

Voi vain toivoa että gav on mieltynyt tuohon tarpeeksi että päättää ryhtyä toimenpiteisiin.

[Averren]

Avianin systeemi vaikuttaa mielenkiintoiselta.

Kiitos Arille ja Greewerille taas hyvistä löydöistä.

[F-B]

Kyllä te ootte ihania, kun ei tarvii itse etsiä näitä juttuja.
Tuo winds of magic kyllä on testattava kaveripelissä ja kaikki uusi tieto koskien tulevia armeijoita kuulostaa edelleen lupaavalta.

Kiitos.

[Cannonball]

Olisipa nätti magicsysteemi, ei vampirecountitkaan enää tyhjentäisi pöytää kolmessa kiekassa...

Tosin se tarkoittaisi että all-shooty-heavy-magic-empireni (uusi sanahirviö ) olisi aika hyödytön lista... Nojaa, virlä tämä edikka jatkuu! Ja ei kun sitten kehittämään vastustajalle reiluja listoja.

[jullevi]

Lisää Ogre Kingdoms kuvia, taitaa olla Saksan Games Daystä:

http://www.pbase.com/gd2004/gd2004

[TietoPredator]

1. Nuo Avianin taikasäännöt ovat yksinkertaisuudessaan aivan nerokkaat! Aluksi vaikuttaa että siinä nyt vain arvotaan 2d6 taikanoppaa ja seurauksena tasapaino pissii kuin jenkkifutari bussimatkan tauolla, mutta mitä enemmän niitä ehdotuksia ja lukuja pyörittelee mielessään niin sitä enemmän huomaa että niissä on oikeasti pohdintaa takana.

2. En ole todellakaan mikään OK fani, mutta nuo muoviogret ovat sen verran hyvännäköisiä että saatan tehdä jonkun pienen palkkasoturiporukan niistä. Konversiomahdollisuudet näyttävät yhtä huonoilta ainakin torsopuolen suhteen kuin kaaoswarruilla, valinnaiset vatsakilvet tosin pelastavat hieman ja bitzejä näyttäisi olevan aika kivasti.

3. Jetit... anteeksi, Yeteet eivät oikein vakuuta - ihan kuin joku olisi tehnyt dryadien päälle Green Stuffista turkit. Ja miksi niillä on hattarat kädessä?

4 "WE.. ..are not really a that popular army" - ei kakkaa, Sherlock. Mistäköhän johtuisi?

[Amazing Slug]

Nykyään magic phasen kanssa on ongelmana pakollinen minmaxaus - medium magic on yleensä ottaen surkea ratkaisu. Ainoat turnauksissa nähtävät ovat joko 1(2) raullakuski tai sitten 4+3x2 lvl.

Hah! Et ilmeisesti erityisemmin pelaile siellä kärkipöydissä, joissa minä massacroin vastustajani kymmenen powerin (kahden warlockin) rotillani?
-JCL 4, toinen sija
-Hell at Welltown, kolmas sija

Armeijani on ollut vähän yli puoliksi maalattu, joten se siitä maalauspisteillä voittamisesta.

Avianin magiasysteemi on kuitenkin niin jännä, että siitä voisi pistää pystyyn oman threadinsä. Ehkä niin on jo tehtykin...?

[Pii]

Tuo ogrejen rojunheittäjäkatapulttikärry on oikein tyylikäs.
Oger-Fleisherin naama tuo mieleen jonkun koiran... Ja mitä sillä on kädessään?
Tyranniogresta olisi kyllä voinut olla parempikin kuva...

Ja miksi niillä [jeteillä] on hattarat kädessä?

Jos ne tykkää hattarasta.

[Peace]

Hah! Et ilmeisesti erityisemmin pelaile siellä kärkipöydissä, joissa minä massacroin vastustajani kymmenen powerin (kahden warlockin) rotillani?

En todellakaan - viimeisimmässä CB:s turneessa jonne ehdin ennen inttiä pelasin viimeisen pelini viimeisellä pöydällä ja hävisin senkin. JCL:ssä viime vuonna meni homma hieman paremmin mutta jouduin jättämään kesken kun oli kiirus muualle. Eikä kummallakaan kerralla ollut ongelmana magic phase. (jälkimmäisellä kerralla en jaksanut ottaa magic phasea itselleni ollenkaan... xP)

Kärkipöytien pelejä kuitenkin silloin tällöin seuranneena voin kertoa sinullekin yllätyksen että heavy magic vaikuttaa varsin suositulta setitykseltä siellä päin. Ja 10 power diceä (+se boundi...) jotka voi kaikki taata menevän hyödyllisiin taikoihin (rotilla) on jo varsin raskas magia. Kuinka muuten rotat saavat 10 poweria kahdella warlockilla?

[hyytelöperuna]

Lisää Ogre Kingdoms kuvia, taitaa olla Saksan Games Daystä:

http://www.pbase.com/gd2004/gd2004

Oikein kivan näköistä sculptintia on tehty, yksi yksikkö armeijaan noita ei tekisi pahaa. Mutta toi Eldarien titaani, saakohan sen vain Forge Worldilta? On kyllä niin nannan näköinen figu, kuin olla ja voi. Täydellinen pakko-ostos.

[greewer]

I think that the rules for the leadbelchers weren't covered in the other thread so here goes:
range 12", multiple shots artillery dice, S 4 armour piercing
when firing you roll an artillery die for each ogre to see how many shots he fires, roll to hit for each ignoring modifiers for moving (not sure about range), for each misfire the unit takes d6 S4 hits. After they have fired once they cannot fire again unless they spend a turn doing nothing (a turn spent rallying explicitly counts).

[Ari]

Dryadeja?
1 Edestä
1 Takaa
2 Edestä
2 Takaa
3 Edestä
3 Takaa

[Jesh]

Wau, nuo mahdolliset dryadit ovat todella hienoja, varsinkin jos vertaa edellisiin rölleihin. Tuollaisia dryadien pitääkin olla.

Jos en väärin näe, niin nuolla näyttäisi näkyvän sukuelimet. Sinänsä ihmeellistä, kun GW:een figuissa ei ole paljaita rintoja enempää alastomuutta oikein figuissa näkynyt.
Voi kuitenkin olla, että silmälasit voisivat olla tarpeelliset...

[The Captain]

Wau, nuo mahdolliset dryadit ovat todella hienoja, varsinkin jos vertaa edellisiin rölleihin. Tuollaisia dryadien pitääkin olla.

Jos en väärin näe, niin nuolla näyttäisi näkyvän sukuelimet. Sinänsä ihmeellistä, kun GW:een figuissa ei ole paljaita rintoja enempää alastomuutta oikein figuissa näkynyt.
Voi kuitenkin olla, että silmälasit voisivat olla tarpeelliset...

No voi herranjestas. Ei niitä tissejäkään ollut ennen kuutosedikan DE harpyja (paitsi joskus GW:n alkuaikoina 70-80-lukujen taitteessa, kun Perryn veljeksillä oli yhtä vähän taitoa kuin hyvää makuakaan, käykää vaikka Stuff of Legendsissä selaamassa), eli selvästi rohkeampaan suuntaan on GW menossa. Tosin nuo olivat vasta greenejä, niihin voi tulla vielä GW:n perinteiset lannevaatteet (tosin viikunanlehti strategiseen paikkaan olisi NIIN hauska...).

Ehkä GW on katsellut Reaperin, Foundryn ja Shadowforgen kasvavaa suosiota "sillä silmällä". En tosin pidä kehitystä pelkästään myönteisenä, koska lapsille tuputetaan jo nykyään liikaa aikuisten juttuja liian nuorella iällä. Ei niiden leluilla pitäisi pimpsaa olla. (Milloinkahan Mattel julkaisee teinipoikien Barbie-nuken, jolla on nännit ja jalkoväli kohdallaan?)

[The Scientist]

Dryadeja?
1 Edestä
1 Takaa
2 Edestä
2 Takaa
3 Edestä
3 Takaa

Nehän on hippi-daemonetteja. Tästä saisikin hyvän teeman kaaosarmeijalle, jonka jäsenet olisivat kääntyneet maanläheisten elämäntapojen pariin.

-E