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DeathWizard kirjoitti:Oikeassa olet. Asemestari voisi ennemminkin olla paranneltu versio ylimyksestä, jolla on laajempi valikoima erillaisiin taikakaluihin ja enchantmentteihin.

Special Charactereja tuli mieleen vähän lisää:

-Jarlaxle
-Zaknafein
-Baenre

Näin olisi kaikki edustettuina. Velhot (Gromph), Papittaret, Asemestarit ja Bregan D'Aerthe

DeathWizard kirjoitti: Ja jos ei ole mitään muuta asiaa kuin vinettää että CoS vastaa Drow armeijaa niin voi samantien olla hiljaa. Kiitos.

DeathWizard kirjoitti: Mieleen on nyt pulpahdellut tämmöisiä ideoita:
-Orjat
-Speciaalivalintana aseistettu minotauriorjien yksikkö

-Perussotilaat voivat käyttää Pimeyden kehää ja Haltiatulia kerran pelin aikana

-Llothin papittaret alokkaista matriarkkaäiteihin
-Champan tilalla papitar alokas, joka osaa 2 perusrukousta
-Rukouksilla on power tasot
-Rukouksia on 6
-Huone Oblodran papitar/ylipapitar/matriarkkaäiti (2-4 psionista voimaa, vie hero ja speciall paikan)

-Droweille +3pts/model Hand Crossbow (Poisoned attacks)
-Piwafwista +1 armour save ampumista ja lähistelyä vastaan
-kaikilla drow-sotilailla mahdollisuus 2:een hand weaponiin

-Bregan D'Aerthe speciaalivalintana (Parempia kuin tavalliset Drow't)

-rare paikan vievä nais-eliittiyksikkö

-Liskoratsastajat (poisoned attacks, no penalty from rough terrain, scaly skin)

-illithid (vie rare ja hero paikan, 6 psionista voimaa)

-maagit (Level 1-4)
-Miesylimykset Nobleja
-Yochol (M4 WS7 BS0 S5 T5 W4 I4 A5 Ld10, ei olla kenraali, osaa 6 rukousta, Armour save 4+, Ward 4+, cause fear ) Vain yksi voi olla pelissä, vie Lord paikan ja Matriarkkaäiti pitää olla armeijassa. 360p

-Yötaistelu (Sama kuin Eshineillä)

Pimeyden kehä (Power Level 2)
Range 12". 2,5" template, kaikki täysin alla olevat ovat automaattisesti vaikutuksen alaisena, puoliksi alla olevat ovat vaikutuksen alla +4 heitolla. Ampuessa pimeiden kehää kohti -1 osumiseen. Asetaito tippuu yhdellä. Muut rodut, kuin drowit ottavat Ld-testin. Epäonnistuessaan perääntyvät D6" verran poispäin lähimmästä Drow yksiköstä. Testi otetaan vain kerran. Kestää seuraavaan magic phaseen asti

Haltiatulet (Power Level 2)
Range 12". Yöllä ei vaikutusta ampumiseen.

Rukouksia tällä hetkellä:

Summon Spiders (Power Level 1)
Summonittaa D2 swarmia hämähäkkejä 8" sille pelaajan valitsemaan kohtaan. Muuten samanlaisia kuin kaikki swarmit paitsi eivät ole unbreakableleja, Ld on 7 ja jos lähtevät yli 8" pitää ottaa Ld testi. Jos ei onnistu, swarmi poistettaan kentältä. Jos häviää taistelun, otetaan samanlainen Ld testi ilman miinuksia.

Wishya (Power Level 2)
Range 18". D6 S3 iskuja.

Power Word (Power Level 3)
Range 12". Vihollinen ottaa Ld testin OMALLA Leadershipillään (Ei saa käyttää herojen tai kenraalin ld:tä) 2D6 nopalla. Jos epäonnistuu vihollisen liikkuminen puolittuu ja WS tippuu yhdellä seuraavaan magic phaseen asti.

Summon Daemon (Power Level 6)
Summonittaa Daemonin (M5 WS6 BS0 S6 T5 W4 I5 A4 Ld8) 8" tuuman säteelle papittaresta. Kaikki Deamonin säännöt pätevät summonitettuun Daemoniin. Vain yksi Deamon voidaan summonia kentälle kerrallaan eikä Deamon voi mennä yli 18" päähän papittaresta.

Elikkä nämä nyt olivat ensimmäisenä mieleen tulleet asiat. Yksiköitä kaipaisin lisää, heroja on jo tarpeeksi muhimassa. Onkohan teillä mitään ideoita? Droweille voisi tosin laittaa korkean WS:n tai jonkinlaisen ward saven (+6?) korvauksena pienestä Armour savesta (Light Armour+ Piwafwi).

Ratsuväkeä ei löydy kuin yhtä tyyppiä ja sotakoneita ei ole.

Drowit luottavat paljon magiaan joten niille pitäisi tehdä tehokas Lore...

Ehdotuksia? Parannuksia? Omia ideoita? Nyt niitä saa antaa

DeathWizard kirjoitti: Hand Crossboweissa on tosiaan tarkoitus olla myrkkyä ja 18" range sekä vain 1 ammus.

Koboldeja olen tehnyt.

Bugbearit (Special) ovat tulleet ja korvanneet minotaurit. Ovat melkolailla samanlaisia (WS on tosin 3 ja Ld on hiukan huonompi). Aiheuttavat myös fearia mutta se onkin ainoa erkoissääntö mitä löytyy. Ei armoreita ja GW. Hinta siinä 30-40pts/model.

Psionisten voimien käyttöön ajattelin Jurpon ehdottaman tavan (taitaa olla käytössä 40k:n puolella). Heitetään ennen taian tekoa tekoa noppaa. Esim 1-2 ja psionikko ei onnistu keskittymään käyttääkseen voimiaan. 3+ ja voi käyttää voimiaan normaalisti.

Lizard on statseiltaan tämmönen: M8 WS3 BS0 S3 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld4
Ei stupidyä, Thick skinned
Ratsastajilla on light armour, hand weapon ja lance. Mahdollisuus ottaa toinen hand weapon (+1pts/model), heavy armour (+1pts/model) ja/tai piwafwi (+2pts/model). Maksimi Armour save on nyt +3. Hinta on 29pts/model (kaikilla herkuilla 33pts/model)

Se paniikkijuttu Droweilla voisi toimia siten että ylempiarvoiset eivät välitä jos alempiarvoiset pakenevat. Muuten paniikkitestit tehdään normaalisti.

Kaikki Drowithan pelkäävät papittaria? Oliskohan hyvä jos ylempiarvoiset papittaret levittäisivät Leadershippiään 6" säteelle, jolloin sitä voisi käyttää yksikön oman Ld:n sijaan? ---> Papittaret kalliimpia

Jurpon listassa Bregan D'Aerthella on Smokebombit, joita voi käyttää perääntymistarkoituksessa (vastustajan pitää heittää 4+ päästäkseen seuraamaan). Kannattaisiko tälläiset laittaa Options valinnaksi?

DeathWizard kirjoitti:
Jos ylipapittaret levittäisivät vaikutustaan 12" säteelle sallien epäonnistuneiden paniikkitestien uusintaheittämisen, niin BSB menettää jonkin verran merkitystään. Ehkäpä 8" tuuman säteelle? (kaipa se ympyrä jonka halkaisija on 16" on melko iso)


Niin ja mikä se AD&D oikein on? En ole kuullut ennen (ainakaan lyhennystä).

The Captain kirjoitti:

Koboldeja olen tehnyt.

Gnoblarien säännöt toimisivat näillä ihan hyvin.

Warhammer Chronicles 2003, s. 43 kirjoitti:Kobolds are green-skinned Goblinoids that are almost completely identical to the common Goblin. Only an exceptional expert of Goblinoid studies can spot the distinction of their longer arm-span and smaller hip bones, which make a Kobold's movement somewhat irrelugar and crooked compared to that of a common Goblin.

DeathWizard kirjoitti:Eli ei sitten kannata käyttää Koboldin mokomia ollenkaan, koska orjina toimivat Goblinit.

Ja mistähän saisi säännöt tähän AD&D-peliin?

Repeater crossbow-pistol
Specially designed repeater crossbow-pistol is ideal weapon in Menzoberranzan as it is light and flexible weapon. It even fits in a pocket and bolts are coated in venom.
Max Range: 10” Strength: 3

Rules: 3x multiple shots. Ignores To Hit penalties for shooting at long range and for moving and shooting. Attacks are poisoned.

Hand Crossbow
Cheaper and easier to handle than repeater crossbow-pistol, hand crossbow is simplified version of it.
Max Range: 10” Strength: 3

Rules:Ignores To Hit penalties for shooting at long range and for moving and shooting. Attacks are poisoned.

Piwafwi
Piwafwi is specially designed to make the user of it harder to see within the shadows as it hides thermal radiation and blends with shadows.

Rules: All shooting against model who is on foot and wears piwafwi suffers -1 to hit penalty.

Lloth’s whip
This whip is used among the apprentice priestesses of Lloth, the Queen of Spiders, and it has two lashes which have paralyzing effect when struck.
Rules: Each attack with the Lloth’s whip causes two hits instead of one. Attacks are poisoned.

Priestess robe
These are the robes of the priestesses of Lloth and they offer some protection against attacks as they are enchanted with unholy spells of Lloth.
Rules: Robe gives armour save of 5+ and a ward save of 6+ to its wearer.

Smokebombs
When threw to the ground these bombs create a loud band and a large cloud of smoke which can be very helpful when escaping.
Rules: When used unit may flee from the battle and the enemy player must throw 4+ in order to make pursue move.

Deathlance
These lances look just like any other cavalry lance but what makes them different is those deadly spells which it has been imbued with. Even tiniest wound can be deadly.
Rules: Deathlance gives +2 strength and a killing blow ability (see page 112 of the Warhammer rulebook) when charging.

Core Units:

Slaves 2pts/model

Slave M5 WS2 BS2 S3 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld2

Unit size: 10+
Weapons: Hand weapon

Options:

- Any unit may include a Slavemaster +17p.

Special Rules:

Slaves
Drow’s doesn’t take any panic tests if there is fleeing slave unit or one is destroyed within 6”. Only other units with Slaves-rule have to do this. Slaves don’t fill up slots for Core units and there can’t be more slave units than there are core units.

Slavemaster M5 WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8

Weapons: Hand weapon, Whip (Counts as a hand weapon)

Special Rules:

Slavemaster:
Slavemaster isn’t a choice of career that any one of Drow’s would take voluntarily. Most of time they are young warriors who have accidentally insulted one Drow-woman. Most of they have been killed because of that but sometimes they have been placed to watch over the slaves as this lowers greatly their status. Those men have learned, even if they don’t want to, to handle the slaves more efficiently than other Drow’s.

If there is a Slavemaster in a unit of Slaves, that unit uses leadership value of the Slavemaster instead of their own. Slavemaster’s can be placed behind of the unit and he can strike enemies from there.

Drow Warriors 9pts/Model
As a primary defence and attack force, Drow Warriors form a main force in any Drow army in the Menzoberranzan. They are very capable in defence but, as all Drow’s, they are on their best in offence. They wear little of armour and rely on their speed and skill with weapons to prevent enemy from killing them unlike most of other races.

Warrior M5 WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8
Captain M5 WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 Ld8

Unit Size: 10+
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon and light armour.

Options:
- Any unit may choose an additional hand weapon (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may be equipped with shields (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may wear piwafwi (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may also be armed with hand crossbow (+3pts/model).
- Any unit may include an Apprentice Priestess +50p.
- Upgrade one model as a Musician +5pts.
- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +10p.
- Promote one Warrior as a Captain +10p.
- One Warrior in the unit may have a magic standard worth up to 50 points.

Apprentice Priestess M5 WS6 BS5 S3 T3 W2 I5 A2 Ld8

Weapons & Armour: Lloth’s whip, priestess robe

Special Rules:

Apprentice of Lloth

Apprentices of Lloth gains access to 2 easiest prayers to the Lloth. Throw a D6 dice to determine the Power Level of the prayer. On a throw of 1, prayer fails due to some kind of mistake in words.

Drow Scouts 14pts/Model
Students who have only couple more years left in Drow’s School of Fighters, Melee Maghtere, are commonly assigned to do some scouting missions. As students, they aren’t as skilled as older Drow’s and that’s why they are eager to prove themselves worthy in the eyes of others.

Scout M5 WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8
Team Leader M5 WS4 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8

Unit size: 5-15
Weapons & Armour: Hand weapon, hand crossbow, piwafwi.

Options:
- Any unit may wear a light armour (+1pts/model)
- Any unit may choose additional hand weapons (+1pts/model)
- Upgrade one model as a Musician +5pts
- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +10p
- Promote one Warrior as a Team Leader +10p

Special Rules:

Scouts
Drow scouts are specialized to move unseen and unnoticed through enemy lines. Drow Scouts are Scouts (see page 112 of the Warhammer rulebook).

Skirmishers
Drow Scouts fight in loose formation and follow the rules for the Skirmishers (see page 115 of the Warhammer rulebook).


Special Units:

Bregan D’Aerthe 18pts/model
In Menzoberranzan there is an organization of Drow’s that is shrouded with mysteries and rumours. Members of it can be hired to your side as long as your offer is the best and the odds aren’t against you. They are very disciplined and skilled warriors as former members of families of Houses that are no more or who were accepted in the organization. They are unpredictable as if you are losing they might just back off to the shadows and see which way the battle is going before making their move which, with any luck, is favourable to you.

Soldier M5 WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8
Lieutenant M5 WS5 BS6 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld8

Unit size: 5-15
Weapons & Armour: Two hand weapons, hand crossbow, piwafwi and smokebombs.

Options:
- Any unit may wear a light armour (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may also be armed with repeater crossbow pistols (+3pts/model).
- Upgrade one model as a Musician +7pts.
- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +14p.
- Promote one Warrior as a Lieutenant +14p.

Special Rules:

Skirmishers
Soldiers of Bregan D’Aerthe fight in loose formation and follow the rules for the Skirmishers (see page 115 of the Warhammer rulebook).

Scouts
Bregan D’Aerthe prefers to move stealthily in shadows and that is what they do the best. They can move unseen and unnoticed through enemy lines. Soldiers of Bregan D’Aerthe are Scouts (see page 112 of the Warhammer rulebook).

Unpredictable
Soldiers of Bregan D’Aerthe are skilled warriors for hire who make spontaneous actions instead of following orders and therefore they might run away from battle to the shadows and wait until odds are favourable again for them as they don’t have any desire to get themselves killed.

Soldiers of Bregan D’Aerthe are allowed to re-roll failed panic-rolls. They may never use the general’s leadership, even if it is higher than their own. If they lose a fight, throw a dice. On a roll of 1, they will immediately use their smokebombs in order to escape the enemy and run towards the closest edge of the table. If they have already used them, then make a normal flee reaction. On a roll of 2+ fight continues normally.


Bugbears 10pts/model
These strange humanoids live in deep under of the mountains of Naggaroth. They are ugly, hairy and strong beasts and there are some of them as slaves in Menzoberranzan. They are secondary “cannon food” after other slaves have been wiped out.

Bugbear M5 WS3 BS2 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 Ld6

Unit size: 10+
Weapons: Halberds

Options:
- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +5pts

Special Rules:

Slaves
Drow’s doesn’t take any panic tests if there is fleeing slave unit or one is destroyed within 6”. Only other units with Slaves-rule have to do this. Slaves don’t fill up slots for Core units and there can’t be more slave units than there are core units.


Lizard Riders 28pts/model
Lizard Riders are deadly and swift force of the Drow army. They are higher in social status than any ordinary soldier and that explains why they wait before they join in battle. Lizard Riders wait until the enemy is tied up in the battle and that’s when they attack brutally killing them with their deadly Deathlances which are imbued with unholy power of the Lloth.

Lizard Rider M5 WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A1 Ld9
Lizard Captain M5 WS5 BS5 S3 T3 W1 I5 A2 Ld9
Lizard M8 WS3 BS0 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 Ld4

Unit size: 5+
Weapons & Armour: Deathlance, hand weapon, light armour

Options:
- Any unit may be equipped with shields (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may wear a heavy armour (+1pts/model).
- Any unit may also be armed with repeater crossbow-pistols (+3pts/model).
- Upgrade one model as a Musician +9pts.
- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +18p.
- Promote one Lizard Rider as a Lizard Captain +18p.
- One Lizard Rider in the unit may have a magic standard worth up to 50 points.

Special Rules:

Sticky Foots

Lizards have sticky foots that can take hold of any surface so that they can even run on the walls or hand upside-down at the roof. Therefore Lizards doesn’t suffer rough terrain penalties and can move there where others can’t, like on mountains or buildings.


Rare Units:

Minotaurs 40pts/model
These terribly beasts aren’t common sight in Menzoberranzan as they are found within tunnels near the Chaos Wasteland and most of times scouting parties don’t return but when they do they bring Minotaurs with them. They are strong and durable beasts that have been enslaved by Drow to do their bidding. Sometimes Drow’s bring these mighty beasts in battle and arm them with Drow made weapons instead of some club made from giant mushrooms that grow in tunnels.

Minotaur M5 WS4 BS0 S4 T4 W3 I4 A3 Ld7

Unit size: 1-3
Weapons: Great weapons

Options:

- Upgrade one model as a Standard Bearer +20p

Special Rules:

Fear
Minotaurs are terrible beasts that cause fear (see page 81 of the Warhammer rulebook).

Slaves
Drow’s doesn’t take any panic tests if there is fleeing slave unit or one is destroyed within 6”. Only other units with Slaves-rule have to do this. Slaves don’t fill up slots for Core units and there can’t be more slave units than there are core units.

Driders 60pts/model
The Driders are Drow’s who have insulted the Lloth herself by acting against her will or with their words and they have been therefore transformed by Matron Mother, who is favoured by Lloth, to one of the Driders. They are something between Drow and a giant spider as they have swollen body of the Drow from upwards of the waist and a body of spider from downwards of the waist with eight spider legs and a hard shell protecting them from damage. They are still skilled with weapons but now they obey only priestesses of Lloth and would probably kill any other if there wouldn’t be any one of them nearby.

Drider M5 WS4 BS3 S3 T4 W3 I5 A4 Ld9

Unit size: 1-3
Weapons: Two hand weapons

Options:
- Any unit may choose halberd (+4pts/model), or great weapon (+5pts/model).

Special Rules:

Fear

Driders are horrifying sight as a Drow is fused with giant spider forming a half-spider, half-Drow body and they cause fear (see page 81 of the Warhammer rulebook).

Creatures of the Lloth

As creatures of the Lloth only the High Priestesses or Matron Mothers can control them and therefore a unit of Driders can’t go more than 24” away from the closest High Priestess or Matron Mother or they have to do a monster reaction test to determine what they’ll do next. Driders are immune to psychology as their mind is wiped during transformation.

Spider Shell

Driders have a hard spider shell that gives them armour save of 5+.