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eastern barbarian Warseerissä kirjoitti:
LORDS:
- Tyrant
- Slaughtermaster
+2 special characters

HEROES:
- Butcher
- Hunter (Stonehorn mount option?)
- Bruiser
- fire wizard thingy
+2 special characters

CORE: Sparse compared to other races, trends in counts-towards-minimum core units (and total)
- Bulls
- Ironguts
- Gnoblar Fighters

SPECIAL: 6+ options is typical trend
- Leadbelchers
- Yhetees
- Maneaters
- Sabertusk Riders
- Scrap Launcher thats RARE
- Stonehorn* speculation, may be rare RARE
-- Gnoblar Trappers are rumoured to not be in the new book (maybe an upgrade for Fighters?) - got that second bit right by the sound of it.
-Sabertusks packs

RARE:
- Gorger
- 'Mammox'
- Slavegiant
- Ironblaster

LAV-Kitsune- kirjoitti:Minua lähinnä huvittaa tuon mammutin liioitellun isot syöksyhammasparit. Ne on niin isot ja kömpelöt, että moinen ötökkä ei pystyisi edes syömään omatoimisesti saati sitten edes kumartumaan kohti ruokaa. Ainoa selitys tälle täytyykin siis olla sisäänvedettävät syöksyhampaat tai sellainen kameleontin kieli. Näin muuten ihan hassuja ovat kaikki~

anaking kirjoitti:Lisäksi Ogre Strongholm sivustolla on paljon kommentoitu "rhinoxien" takamuksen kokoa.

Warseer kirjoitti: 1 body
2 heads
1 horns
1 tusks
2 Shoulder shields
2 ogre bodies
3 heads
3 left arms
3 gutplates
3 weapon options (harpoon xbow, lance, chain trap)
2 saddles
back plates
a turkey
some bound empire guy
skulls galore

Ghunter kirjoitti:From Warseer :

Gutmagic is :
- 3 augments
- 1 hex
- 1 direct damage
- 1 magic missile
- Signature spell is an augment too

Darnok kirjoitti:It's birdy time. :)

Magic:
Ogre Magic has been reworked and spellcasting now works the same way as for all wizards. Spells are pretty much similar to what they used to be, except they last until next magic phase and are not RIP. Lore attribute is bloodgruel - on 2+ mage gains 1 wound and +1 to cast for his next spell, on a 1 takes an S6 hit.
Ogre mages can take great maw, death, heavens and beasts magic.
New mage model is the firebelly, who uses lore of fire, costs araound a fifth more than an empire cannon, can be upgraded to lvl 2 for the standard price of a wizard upgrade, can take a great weapon or extra hand weapon and has S4 breath attack, flaming attacks and 4+ ward vs fire.

Magic items and big names:
Big names still there and come out of magic item allowance. Didn't get changed that much from what you currently have. Best one is probably giantbreaker - doesn't require giant in the army - for the cost of dispel scroll model can't refuse challenges or flee but gets +1S.
Magic items are few and generally meh compared with common items. Thundermace basically gives you one thundercrush attack just like the sphinx has for a ton of points. Most interesting item is hellheart, which causes a miscast in all enemy mages within 5xD6" at the beginning of enemy magic phase - one use only, costs 2 scrolls.

Core units now include ironguts at five points less than they used to be, and with all command models costed at +10 points (which is same across the book).
You can get 40 gnoblars for the cost of one dark elf sorceress, and they come with throwing weapons attached and no prerequisites.

Special units got a lot of changes, leadbelchers will now fire D6 shots every turn, no misfires, and are move and fire with no penalty for moving. They cost one point less than Yhetees, which cost one point less than talisman of preservation.

Maneaters are half an empire cannon in points, and basically choose two special rules (you cannot chose the same special rule for two units) from a group of 8 - including poisoned attacks, sniper, stubborn, swiftride, strider, vanguard, itp, scout.

Mournfang cavalry is the new heavy cav, with a lot of options (potentially a 2+ armour save), tons of attacks and a price tag that is in the vicinity of a bloodcrusher, depending on what armour/weapons you take. 3 wounds, D3 impact hits and a total of 7 attacks per model make them somewhat fearsome.

Gorger is now special and gets a bit more expensive, but loses the rule by which it had to end movement closer to an enemy unit. It does have frenzy, unbreakable, killing blow and ambusher special rules.

Rare:
Scrapalauncher is rare, slightly cheaper I think and similar to what it does now (S3 KB catapult)
Ironblaster is an empire cannon with horrible fluff and a pretty unpleasant misfire chart. It is nearly as expensive as a hydra, but has move and fire, S10 grapeshot and a special rule that allows you to roll two dice for bounce and chose the highest, even if one is a misfire.

The two mammoth-like critters are:
the stonehorn, which can have a mounted harpoon launcher (S6 D3 wounds 36" bolt thrower that doesn't penetrate ranks and is move and fire if mounted), 4+ armour save, does a lot of S6 impact hits on the charge, has dragon-like stats (but lower WS, Ld and initiative), M7, 4+ armour save and a special rule which halves the damage from all multiple-wound weapons that hit it.

and

the thundertusk, which is a support version of the above - has a mounted catapult that doesn't get hurt in any way by misfires, a harpoon and a 12" S6 KB weapon (chaintrap) - 3 weapons on its back, and gives all enemy models within 6" ASL. The tradeoff is - no impact hits and one less attack.

Both of these big beasties cost as much as around 5 wraiths.

A stonehorn can also be the mount for a hunter, which costs almost as much as a high elf prince.

Last but not least: the sabertusk. Special unit, 1-10 unit size. Each one has 3 S4 attacks, so aside from being the redirector of your dreams, it can sometimes work as a mage assassin. One costs slightly more than 4 halberdiers. T4 and two wounds.

They can't use general's leadership or battle standard re-roll, and their own LD is 4 - and can only be joined by a hunter - so I would say they will only come in two unit sizes - 1 or 10+hunter. This second option is not so bad - the unit will cost you some 350 points, but it has vanguard, swiftstride, and 30 S4 WS4 I4 attacks + whatever the hunter brings.

Warseer kirjoitti:Tyrant - 105G

Slaughtermaster - 125G

Butcher - 50G

Bruiser - 52.5G

Hunter - 65G

Firebelly - 60G

Bulls – 15G

Ironguts – 21.5G

Gnoblars – 1.25G

Leadbelchers – 21.5G

Maneaters – 25G

Sabretusks – 10.5G

Yhetees – 22G

Mournfangs – 30G

Gorger – 45G

Scraplauncher – 65G

Ironblaster – 85G

Giant – 100G

Stonehorn/Thundertusk – 125G

Ogre Strongholdissa Ogre kirjoitti: Magic:
Ogre Magic has been reworked and spellcasting now works the same way as for all wizards. Spells are pretty much similar to what they used to be, except they last until next magic phase and are not RIP.
Lore attribute is bloodgruel - on 2+ mage gains 1 wound and +1 to cast for his next spell, on a 1 takes an S6 hit.

the signature spell grants stubborn to a unit within 12"/18" (the latter is presumably on a boosted casting)

As for other magic, 2d6 2s no save missile, augment giving target +1t or all units wihin 12" +1t with higher roll, panic test spell to all enemy units 18/36", regeneration to unit/all units within 12" with higher roll, small template spell ini test needed if passed 3s hit if not 7s hit d6 wounds it can be changed to large template with higher roll needed

Ogre mages can take great maw, death, heavens and beasts magic.

New mage model is the firebelly, who uses lore of fire, can be upgraded to lvl 2 for the standard price of a wizard upgrade, can take a great weapon or extra hand weapon and has S4 breath attack, flaming attacks and 4+ ward vs fire.

Magic items and big names:
Big names still there and come out of magic item allowance. Didn't get changed that much from what you currently have. Best one is probably giantbreaker - doesn't require giant in the army - for the cost of dispel scroll model can't refuse challenges or flee but gets +1S.

Magic items are few and generally meh compared with common items. Most interesting item is hellheart, which causes a miscast in all enemy mages within 5xD6" at the beginning of enemy magic phase - one use only, costs 2 scrolls.

magic weapons Thundermace (asl, +2s 2h weapon), or thundercrush attack instead, small template model in the centre hit with 9s d3 wound, rest hit with 3s.

Siegebreaker (asl, +2s 2h weapon) roll to hit against ini or siegbreaker attack d6 hits with str equal to height of the building up to 10.

magic standards Rune maw rules i think are the same as in last book (i dont see its max range use but i think this will be fqed),

Dragonhide banner same stats as in last book + can be used as breath weapon with 3s.

Core:
Core units now include ironguts at 43 points, and with all command models costed at +10 points (which is same across the book).

Special:
Special units got a lot of changes, leadbelchers will now fire D6 shots every turn, no misfires, and are move and fire with no penalty for moving.

Sabertusk. Special unit, 1-10 unit size. Each one has 3 S4 attacks, so aside from being the redirector of your dreams, it can sometimes work as a mage assassin. One costs slightly more than 4 halberdiers. T4 and two wounds.

They can't use general's leadership or battle standard re-roll, and their own LD is 4 - and can only be joined by a hunter - so I would say they will only come in two unit sizes - 1 or 10+hunter. This second option is not so bad - the unit will cost you some 350 points, but it has vanguard, swiftstride, and 30 S4 WS4 I4 attacks + whatever the hunter brings.

Maneaters basically choose two special rules (you cannot chose the same special rule for two units) from a group of 8 - including poisoned attacks, sniper, stubborn, swiftride, strider, vanguard, itp, scout.

Mournfang cavalry is the new heavy cav, with a lot of options (potentially a 2+ armour save), tons of attacks and a price tag that is in the vicinity of a bloodcrusher, depending on what armour/weapons you take. 3 wounds, D3 impact hits and a total of 7 attacks per model make them somewhat fearsome.

Gorger is now special and gets a bit more expensive, but loses the rule by which it had to end movement closer to an enemy unit. It does have frenzy, unbreakable, killing blow and ambusher special rules.

Rare
Scrapalauncher is rare and similar to what it does now (S3 KB catapult)

Ironblaster is an empire cannon with horrible fluff and a pretty unpleasant misfire chart. S10 grapeshot and a special rule that allows you to roll two dice for bounce and chose the highest, even if one is a misfire.

The two mammoth-like critters are:
the stonehorn, which can have a mounted harpoon launcher (S6 D3 wounds 36" bolt thrower that doesn't penetrate ranks and is move and fire if mounted), 4+ armour save, does a lot of S6 impact hits on the charge, has dragon-like stats (but lower WS, Ld and initiative), M7, 4+ armour save and a special rule which halves the damage from all multiple-wound weapons that hit it.

and

the thundertusk, which is a support version of the above - has a mounted catapult that doesn't get hurt in any way by misfires, a harpoon and a 12" S6 KB weapon (chaintrap) - 3 weapons on its back, and gives all enemy models within 6" ASL. The tradeoff is - no impact hits and one less attack.

A stonehorn can also be the mount for a hunter.


Additional:
clubs are hand weapons now

no info about needing 6" to charge but when calculating charge range if you roll 10 or more there is d3 impacts rather than 1

Giant is now stubborn!

if stonehorn makes sucesfull charge he makes 3d3 impacts(instead of his normal attacks) +1 for each dice if charge roll was higher than 10.

Trappers is an upgrade for normal gnobbies @25pts it makes every model in a unit that charges them take a dangerous terrain test.

Named Characters:
Golfgag is a hero with 5a he can take 2d6x10p magic items, if golfgag joins maneaters they have always stubborn and vanguard rules from been there done that special rule.

Bragg is 4a hero with heroic killing blow rule in challenges if he slays challenger enemy unit he was in is disrupted for the rest of the turn