Mariinit uudistuvat?

[Machine_Spirit]

Thunderhawk Rumors
Once again, in a trend that is now well over a year old, there is word of an upcoming plastic Thunderhawk, tenetively scheduled for a release next year with the postponed Planetstrike supplement. We are way,way to early for pricing, but a $200 pricetag has been passed around.

Halpaa kuin paska.

Eihän tuo ois kuin n.130 €, kun Forgeworldin halvempi versio maksaa tällä hetkellä n. 475 €.

Katoin että oli punnissa. Hyps.

[O'snobba]

Thunderhawk Rumors
Once again, in a trend that is now well over a year old, there is word of an upcoming plastic Thunderhawk, tenetively scheduled for a release next year with the postponed Planetstrike supplement. We are way,way to early for pricing, but a $200 pricetag has been passed around.

Tuleeko tuo siis kauppoihin?

[Lighthammer]

Thunderhawk Rumors
Once again, in a trend that is now well over a year old, there is word of an upcoming plastic Thunderhawk, tenetively scheduled for a release next year with the postponed Planetstrike supplement. We are way,way to early for pricing, but a $200 pricetag has been passed around.

Tuleeko tuo siis kauppoihin?

Ei, vaan GT-turnausvoittajat saavat vaihtaa vasemman kiveksensä tuohon juotuaan ensin Alessio Cavatoren verta GW:n salaisessa initiaatioriitissä Nottinghamissa.

[Machine_Spirit]

Thunderhawk Rumors
Once again, in a trend that is now well over a year old, there is word of an upcoming plastic Thunderhawk, tenetively scheduled for a release next year with the postponed Planetstrike supplement. We are way,way to early for pricing, but a $200 pricetag has been passed around.

Tuleeko tuo siis kauppoihin?

Ei, vaan GT-turnausvoittajat saavat vaihtaa vasemman kiveksensä tuohon juotuaan ensin Alessio Cavatoren verta GW:n salaisessa induktioriitissä Nottinghamissa.

NYt lähti GT:seen. :D

[JakeZuku]

Ei, vaan GT-turnausvoittajat saavat vaihtaa vasemman kiveksensä tuohon juotuaan ensin Alessio Cavatoren verta GW:n salaisessa initiaatioriitissä Nottinghamissa.

>:3

Saisivat kyllä mokomat laittaa rumiluksen samaan hintaan kuin Banebladen. Onhan se iso ja kaikkea, mutta lähtisi varmasti useamman matkaan näin hinnoiteltuna.

[The Captain]

Ei, vaan GT-turnausvoittajat saavat vaihtaa vasemman kiveksensä tuohon juotuaan ensin Alessio Cavatoren verta GW:n salaisessa initiaatioriitissä Nottinghamissa.

>:3

Saisivat kyllä mokomat laittaa rumiluksen samaan hintaan kuin Banebladen. Onhan se iso ja kaikkea, mutta lähtisi varmasti useamman matkaan näin hinnoiteltuna.

Miksi pyytää vähemmän, kun voi saada enemmän?

Kannattaa myös muistaa, että GW hinnoittelee tuotteensa vähän sattumanvaraisesti valuuttakursseista riippumatta, joten jos lentskarin hinnaksi on povattu 200 taalaa, se voi olla yhtä hyvin 200 euroa huolimatta taalan kurssista. Puntahinnan mukaan se hinta kuitenkin lopulta muodostuu, ja harvoin valuutanvaihtoprosessissa kuluttaja voitolle jää.

Eipä koottavilla muovilennokeilla ole ennenkään naista saanut.

[Henkinen Johtaja]

seikkailinpa warseerissä:

Here is the new list which ive made:

Chapter Master
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10 Sv2+
- has around 20 Options (my thoughts are the ones below)
- Starts with Close Combat weapon, can upgrade to Power weapon, Power fist, Lightning Claw, Thunder Hammer
- May Master Craft any of the above for +15 points
- has a bolt pistol may upgrade to any of these: Plasma Pistol, Storm Shield
- Has a Bolter, may upgrade to Storm Bolter, CombiPlasma, Combi Melta, Combi Grenade Launcher
- May replace Bolt pistol and CCW for pair of Lightning Claws
- May take Terminator armour, Jump Pack or a Bike
(theres 15 options so far, what else is there?)
- if he takes a bike, Bikes become Troops choices (stupid stupid stupid)
- Gives some kind of Orbital Strike which is S10 Ap1 (of course it is…stupid marines)

Captain
- Ws5 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld 10 Sv 3+
Much the same options as above

- Chaplain
- Ws5 Bs4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv3+
- Comes with Crozius and Rosarius
- Doesnt give rerolls to hit anymore
- Makes unit with him Fearless

Librarian
- Ws5 Bs4 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 Ld10 Sv3+
- Comes with Force weapon and Psychic Hood
- Psychic hood now has a range of 24" (whether it means that the power is within 24", or the Psyker i dont know)

Master of the Forge
- Ws4 Bs5 S4 T4 W2 In4 A2 Ld10 Sv2+
- Comes with Servo Harness
- Has Conversion beamer which gets stronger and more powerful the further away he is firing. Maxes out at S10 Ap1 Large blast at 72"
- Allows Dreadnaughts to be taken as Elites AND heavy support if he is there.

Command Squad- around 20 points each
- Lots of Upgrades like now.
- Apothecary comes standard, i think the standard would come standard too :P
- Apothecary gives the unit Feel no pain
- Can be Bike Mounted
- Can Upgrade to Honour guard who probably have similar stats to the Vanguard Veterans below and can only be upgraded is a Chapter Master is present in the army (does this Include Special Characters?)
- If they become Honour guard can take Ritual Blades which are a two handed power weapon at +2 Strength.
- One may take a Chpater Standard which, if it still has the same rules as now, gives them Counter attack.
- They may take a Chapter Champion who i feel will have stats like so:
ws5 Bs4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A3 Ld10 Sv2+
- Chapter Champion must direct attacks against enemy Independant characters if he can.

Kor’Sarro Khan, Captain of the White Scars 3rd Company
-Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 In5 At3 Ld10 Sv3+
- Gives models in his unit hit and run and Furious Charge.
- Instead of normal Chapter Tactics, Kor,Sarro can give every model who can Take Chapter Tactics (so everyone except Vehicles and Dreads) the ability to Outflank.
- Moondrakkan is a bike he may take. It’s a bike which can use the Run ability and can also Fleet
- Moonfang- A Power sword. Any 6’s on the to wound roll become Instant Death.

Kayvaan Shrike
-Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 In5 At3 Ld10 Sv3+
- Has a pair of Master Crafted lightning Claws which give Rending
- Instead of normal Combat Tactics, he gives his army the Ability to Fleet.
- He has Infiltrate and gives it to his unit, possibly Scout and Stealth still.

Pedro Cantor
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W4 In5 At4 Ld10 Sv2+
- Storm Bolter and Powerfist
- Sternguard in his army count as Scoring units
- His combat tactics gives marines the ‘stubborn’ special Rule.

Marneus Calgar
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W4 In5 At4 Ld10 Sv2+
- 2 Powerfists and a Stormbolter
- Eternal warrior (Emperor knows why…)
- His Chapter Tactics allows his army to choose to pass or fail any Ld tests (instead of the Combat tactics, which allows you to choose to fail)

Chaplain Cassius
- Ws5 Bs4 S4 T6(!!) W2 In5 At3 Ld10 Sv 3+
- Eternal Warrior (again…Emperor knows why)

Captain Lysander
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 In4 At4 Ld10 Sv2+
- Thunder hammer is Master Crafted and gives Lysander S10, he also adds +1 to the damage against vehicles
- Storm Shield (3+ invulnerable save for him)
- Eternal Warrior (Again?!)
- Bolter Drill- The Squad he is with is allowed to reroll misses with Bolters
- Allows one piece of terrain to be fortified, to give +1 to its normal cover save.
- Chapter tactics gives his army Stubborn

Captain Sicarius
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 In4 At3 Ld10 Sv3+
- His mantle gives him Feel no pain

-Vulkan Estan
- Ws6 Bs5 S4 T4 W3 In4 At3 Ld10 Sv2+
- Chapter tactics allows all meltas and flamers to become twin linked and all Thunder hammers to become Master Crafted.
- Eternal Warrior (GAH!)
- Heavy Flamer (which rerolls to wound)
- S6 Power weapon, Master Crafted

Brother Chronus
- Upgrade for a Space Marine Vehicle
- Gives it Bs5
- If vehicle is destroyed he can scurry away and crew another one.

Scout Sergeant Telion
- Upgrade for Scout Squad
- Can give his BS of 6 to another scout in the unit.


Elites

Vanguard Veterans- Around 20 Points each
- Ws4 Bs4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+
- Come with Bolt Pistol and Close Combat weapon, can all take from a bunch of upgrades including: Power weapons, Power fists, Lightning claws, Pairs of Lightning claws
- Probably have an option to take Bolters
- They can also take Combat shields and storm shields. Also Jump packs are an upgrade which gives them the Heroic Intervention rule.
-Heroic Intervention allows them to assault the turn they Deep strike.

Sternguard Veterans:
- Ws4 Bs4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A2 Ld9 Sv3+
- Come with Bolters and 4 Kinds of Specialised round
- Dragonfire bolts- Normal Bolter, Ignores cover
- Hellfire Rounds- dunno
-Kraken bolts- 30” range, S4 Ap4 Rapid Fire
- Vengeance rounds- 18” range, S4 Ap3, Rapid Fire, Gets hot
- Can Upgrade bolters to Storm Bolters (lose the specialist rounds)
- Can take Combi weapons (keep the rounds).
- One of the Sternguard can take a Powerfist or Power weapon
- They may choose which round to use each turn.

Dreadnaught:
Just like now, Probably with options to become a Mortis Dreadnaught

Venerable Dreadnaught:
WS and BS 5 (ouch), with most of the Dreadnaughts Basic Weapons options

Ironclad Dreadnaught:
Basic Dreadnaught Stats with front and Side armour 13.
- Probably comes with a Heavy Flamer rather than a Storm Bolter
- Can take a Hunter Killer

Terminators
- Basic Terminators just like now, probably not Fearless (i actually doubt anything in the basic codex is Fearless.
- Cyclone Now Heavy 2

Assault Terminators
- Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield probably an option which has a points cost. 3+ Invulnerables dont come cheap.
- Lightning Claws probably remain as now.

- Techmarine
- Comes with a 2+ save.
- Allows one piece of Cover in his deployment zone become +1 to its cover save.
- Can take the Thunderfire cannon which is just basically a Better Thudd gun (of course it is…stupid marines)


Legion of the Damned
- Normal Marine Stats, except they have a 3+ Invulnerable save (!!!)
- Their Sergeant has Ws5
- They always Deep Strike, but reroll scatter if they want.


Troops:

Tactical Marines:
start at 5
- Must take a Veteran Sergeant
- Special and Heavy weapons are unavailable unless there are 10 marines in the unit, but then they get Free Flamer and a Free Multimelta or Heavy Bolter Or Missile Launcher. I would Guess Melta be 5 points, Plasma 10, Lascannon- 15
- Bolter, Polt Pistol, Frag and Krak grenades.
- Im guessing they will remain at 15 points each ( there may be a slight Increase, although i doubt it looking at Chaos Marines.)
- Vet Sarge can take Power weapon, Power Fist, Lightning Claw, Plasma Pistol, Storm Bolter, Combi Flamer, Combi Plasma, Combi Melta (and maybe combi grenade Launcher)

Scouts
- 10 Points each
- Ws3 Bs3 S4 T4 W1 In4 A1 Ld8 Sv4+ (im going to have alot of fun charging them with guardsmen and asking what they hit on. "Say it again, now do it in a girls voice")
- Shotguns probably S4
- may be an option for Teleport Homers.
- Their Heavy bolter can take hellfire Rounds

Fast Attack:

Bikes: Havent really heard anything. Hope they get something, they seem rather bland compared to everything else.

Assault Marines: Ditto to Bikes.

Land Speeders: Pretty much as now, Space Marines Fast attack and HeavySupport hasnt Innovated much.

Land Speeder Storm:
-Has a Jammer which disrupts deep striking close by (Does this work on the marines deep striking aswell?)
-Scouts charging from it -2 from the enemy Ld (i wonder if Dark Eldar will get this)
- Carries 5 scouts (and scouts only) and counts as Open Topped

Heavy Support:

Predator- Pretty much how it is in Codex: Dark Angels

Vindicator- See above

Devastator- See above above

Whirlwind- See above above..above

Land Raider-
Machine spirit allows an extra weapon than allowed to be shot at any available target (should also be friendlies..."What are you doing, Dave?")
Has a Multi Melta as a pintle Option
- Can Carry 12 models

Land Raider Crusader
- Machine spirit as above
- Frag Launchers as normal (useful too, now.)
- can carry 16 Models

Land Raider Redeemer
- Machine Spirit as normal
- Redeemer cannon: Range- Template S6 Ap3 Heavy 1
- Transport Capacity: 12 models

Tell me if there are any problems!

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[O'snobba]

Tuleeko kaikki margenius calgarit, yms. HQ valintaan vai meneekö special chacrateriksi?

Edit. Lista poistettu Oberonin pyynnöstä.

[Oberon]

Et sitten voinut jättää pois tuota pitkää listaa tosta lainauksesta? Je ne tulee hq-valintoihin, ei uusissa codexeissa oo mitään special characyereita...

[The Captain]

Täytyy näköjään perua aiempi lausunto, että saahan sillä Force weaponilla vielä marineiden characterit instakilhittyä. Ei sitte.

Aika lailla muna pystyssä näyttävät uutta marine-codexia tehneen, kun vertaa "viitosedikkaan päivittyneisiin" ala-chaptereihin. Kyllä minä saatan sen tuskan kestää, että punaiset assault marineni menevätkin Fast attackiin, jos saan vastineeksi kaiken tuon herkuttelun.

[Rosmariini]

Mutta missä on Tigurius? Olihan se kyllä hyvä mutta nyt on paljon lisä charruja sen tilalle..
Perseestä ku chaplaini ei enää saa niitä rerolleja hittiin :(

[The Warmaster]

Dreadnaught

Joko on taas joku lukihäiriöinen tyyppi kirjoittanut nuo tai sitten nimi ollaan oikeasti muuttamassa.

Tsiisus... mikä siinä on niin vaikeaa...

[Zaraki Kenpachi]

Epäilen lukihäiriötä. Ei sitä rekun nimeä nyt uuteen kodeksiin tarvia ruveta vaihtamaan.

[Half-breed]

Just joo. Eihän punaiset tai vihreät marsut voi olla hyviä, vaikka vihreät on kovimpia marsuja mitä galaxista löytyy. Kyllä on ihan wtf-juttuja perusmarsuilla, että uskon poikien pistäneen jokaisen keksimänsä idean codexiin ajattelematta onko se nyt reilu. No mitäs muuta tuosta voisi natista, no ainakin master-craftin anto ei-spessuille. Eihän DA niitä saa, vaikka on eka marsujengi ja täten loogisesti omistaisi kamaa ajalta jolloin sitä osattiin vielä tehdä, mutta marsujengi joka perustettiin toissapäivänä sellaisia omaa.

No eipähän kukaan voi minua syyttää juustottamisesta.

[Oberon]

Jepjep. Onneksi tuli sentään aloitettua vihreät mariinit ykkös- ja kakkoskompaniaan painotettuna, eikä 3-7. kompanioilla. Se se vasta harmittaisi, nyt sentään saan pitää ne 2 yksikköä mitkä on vihreillä omia ja erilaisia, sekä parempia kuin sinisten mariinien uudet. Jos pelaisi ihan oikeasti vihreillä (eikä mustilla ja luunvalkeilla) mariineilla, olisi herkästi codexin vaihto käsillä kyllä.

Pakko tässä on vielä jonkun sortin kiellossa elää, on tuolla sen verran hurjan kuuloista juttua listattuna. Toisaalta yhtään miinuspuolta (kädettömät herot ja scoutit unohtaen) tuolla ei olekkaan, kaipa se siitä. Ehkä.

[The Captain]

Nimetön random chapter master on sitten kovempi jätkä kuin Dante, Azrael tai Logan, mutta näinhän sen kuuluukin mennä. Onneksi sentään Pedro GW:n ensimmäisenä nimettynä Chapter masterina on edes stateiltaan samalla viivalla, vaikka sen asevaihtoehdot ovatkin niin huono vitsi, että sille melkein tekee mieli nauraa - ja se kuolee force weaponiin.

Vaniljat saavat näemmä myös Ld10 psychic hoodin ottamatta ylikallista spessua ja oletettavasti paremmilla optioillakin. Menettihän tuo kyllä pari hyökkäystä (yhden profiilista, yhden terminator honoursista), joten force weapon kyllä jää entistä turhemmaksi.

[Henkinen Johtaja]

Varsinkin tuo coversio beamer näyttäisi pitkällä kantamalla aika pahalta vehkeeltä...

[Da Big Boss]

Eikös se random nimetön chapter master ole Tu'shan?

PS: Nyt *****taa kun kanttorista tehdään niin huono. Power fisti on surkein mahdollinen ase iniative5 ukolle.

[Huru-ukko]

Conversion beam projektorin paluu on mahtava juttu. Kiva kun vanhoja superpyssyjä tuodaan takaisin. Ensin shokk attack gun ja nyt tämä. Siegelaserikin taisi apokkiin tulla. Kohtahan tässä pelissä alkaa olla aseita, kuin Rogue Traderissa aikanaan :) Heviwebberiä odotellessa :) Ainiin ja olihan se Marcocannonikin :D (Markokanuuna suomeksi, se oli painovirhepaholaisen jekkuja se)

[Half-breed]

Eikös se random nimetön chapter master ole Tu'shan?

Ei, vaan jos lukisit nuo uusimmat huhut, niin huomaisit, että marsuilla on uusi geneerinen HQ-valinta nimeltä Chapter master.