The Dude kirjoitti:***READ THIS FIRST***
In order to stop yourself looking completely stupid, I suggest you do the following BEFORE posting any new rumours or questions.
1) Read the first 2 posts
2) Check the time these posts were last edited
3) Read AT LEAST all the posts AFTER these posts were last edited
If after all that your rumour hasn’t appeared, or your question hasn’t been asked, feel free to post it. If you do not do this, you WILL be ridiculed, and I will ask the mods to delete your stupid and pointless post.
Just a warning though, I will not take kindly to people abusing this thread. There is already a wishlist thread
here, so please keep discussion in this thread related to new rumours or discussion of how current rumours may impact you or other rules etc. Please note, this also includes discussing nonsense background material like the fuel used by Leman Russes.
Also, whilst I am happy to receive thanks, please only post it if you have something else to say about the rumours. 50 kajillion posts that just say, "Thanks Dude" only serve to clutter the thread ;).
Original thread is here if you need it:
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179387
Second thread is here:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182510
General info
Release date is 2 May 2009.
Rumoured to include at least 2 waves of releases. It is unclear when the second wave will appear.
The following pic is from the March WD and confirms some of the rumours below including Orders, New Ratlings and the Valkyrie.
http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.ph ... 1234148406
Rules
Army-wide Special Rules
Doctrines
Doctrines have supposedly been replaced by Platoons options, so for example, rather than Armoured fist squads a player would buy Chimeras for a whole platoon, or buy the whole platoon grav-chutes to give them deep strike, or drop the heavy weapons from squads and give the platoon Scout. No details on exactly what upgrades are available have emerged as yet. This system would allow “crusade” style armies of multiple regiments.
Another rumour says that there will be multiple flavours of Platoon with varying rules and options, such as Heavy Platoons, the squads will have the option of taking up to three heavy weapons teams; Assault Platoons, able to take up to three assault weapons; Stealth Platoons possibly able to infiltrate. It is not clear if this was based on a proper rumour or mutant wishlisting.
This has been given some credence with catdubh posting the following:
Orders
reds8n broke the news on Orders with the following:
Orders are given by Officers to a squad (note not the whole Platoon) within command radius or via Vox channel. Orders generally make a squad do something such as make them better shots, rally, or recover from things like pinning or gone to ground. These orders are not automatic and will probably require a Ld test.
Orders will be one or maybe two orders per Officer per turn, and it is assumed Platoon Officers will only be able to order their own Platoon whilst army Commanders will be able to order anyone. This has not been confirmed.
Some rumoured Orders include:
“TAAAANK!!” which allows the squad to add +1 to penetrate armour for a turn of shooting.
"Front Rank Fire, Second Rank Fire" which allows the squad to shoot twice to represent your men firing in well timed volleys to increase rate of fire. This is probably just Lasguns.
Overwatch would supposedly allow them a round of shooting during the enemy’s shooting phase at the cost of not shooting and assaulting next turn (effectively going to ground).
I have been told the Orders system works a bit different to how it is currently rumoured above, but wasn’t able to get clarification yet.
Miscellaneous
Some squads will supposedly have access to heavy flamers, but it is not clear which ones.
Special Characters
Commissar Yarrick 5 5 3 4 3 3 3 10 4+
Sly Marbo 5 5 3 3 2 5 4 7 5+
Colonel Straken 5 4 6 4 3 3 3 9 3+
Usarker Creed 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 10 4+
Jarran Kell 4 4 3 3 2 4 2 8 4+
Nork Dedog 4 3 5 5 3 3 4 8 4+
Captain Al’rahem 4 4 3 3 2 3 2 9 5+
Captain Chenkov 4 4 3 3 2 3 2 9 4+
Moghol Kamir 4 3 3 3 2 3 3 8 5+
Lukas Bastonne 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 10 4+
Artillery Sergeant Harker 4 4 4 3 1 3 2 8 5+
HQ
Company Commander
Can reportedly be upgraded for x-amount to get Storm Troopers as Troops
Company Commander 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 9 5+
Primaris Psyker
Apparently able to blast tanks with a psychic power. No further details have emerged as yet.
Primaris Psyker 4 4 3 3 2 3 3 9 5+
Commissar Lord
Newer rumours say he is described as having lots of inspirational powers (possibly fearless) and will supposedly allow more freedom in selecting Commissars for other squads.
Commissar Lord 5 5 3 3 3 3 3 10 5+
Inquisitor and Retinue
Very early rumours pointed to an entry for IG as an HQ choice, which would supposedly appear much like the elites from the current Daemon Hunters/Witch Hunters books. This has since been completely blown out of the water. THEY ARE NOT IN THE CODEX.
Advisors
Officer of the Fleet
Forces opponent to subtract -1 from all reserve rolls
Officer of the Fleet 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Astropath
Add +1 to reserves rolls. I think it says they can do something with orders too, although the pic is unclear.
Astropath 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Master of Ordnance
Can call down a S9 Ordnance Barrage.
Master of Ordnance 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Commissars
Are supposedly now squad upgrades, technically allowing a lot of Commissars to appear in an army. Rumours now say they are allowed to attach to “certain squads”, However once a Commissar Lord is taken they have more freedom and there can be more of them. They are also supposedly cheaper (almost half their current price). Some text seen near a pic of Commissars at Open Day appears to say Commissars will have an affect on Orders, possibly making it easier to use them.
Commissar 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 9 5+
Ministorum Priest
Special Rules not known
Ministorum Priest 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 7 5+
Sanctioned Psyker
Special Rules not known
Sanctioned Psyker 2 3 2 3 1 3 1 9 5+
Mentor
Not sure what this is, but the summary puts it on the same page as the Sanctioned Psyker, leading many to speculate Sanctioned Psykers may appear in squads with the Mentor as squad leader upgrade. Alternately they could just be a higher level Sanctioned Psyker.
Mentor 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 9 5+
There are apparently a few other things that you can give the Command Squad to affect the army. No further details are available as yet.
Elites
Stormtroopers
The assumption has been made based on the WIP Stormtrooper mini that Stormtroopers will be able to take shotguns this has since been refuted, with the new rumour being they are for WH Arbites-style Stormtroopers.
You can supposedly have a Storm Trooper Squad/Platoon as a Troops choice (not clear if this means both or one of), but this is reliant on an upgrade to the Officer leading the army. They may also get to pick from a list of mission 'operations', such as outflank, deepstrike etc. They may be able to infiltrate if not transported.
Stormtrooper Sergeant 3 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 4+
Stormtrooper 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 4+
Hellgun 18 3 3 Rapid Fire
Hellpistol 6 3 3 Pistol
Techpriest Enginseer
Special Rules not known
Techpriest 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 8 3+
Servitor 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 8 4+
Ogryns
Rumoured to have Furious Charge
Bone head 4 3 5 5 3 2 4 7 5+
Ogryn 4 3 5 5 3 2 3 6 5+
Ripper gun 12 5 - Assault 3
Ratlings
10 points each. Supposedly have different special rules (no details as yet although it appears not to be a special gun)
Ratling 2 4 2 2 1 4 1 6 5+
Sniper Rifle 36 X 6 Heavy 1, Sniper
Sniper Squads
Can supposedly infiltrate, get stealth, range finders and all models in the squad have sniper rifles and BS 4. A new rumour says they will also get camo cloaks. They do not appear as a separate entry in the leaked summary. If they do appear, it would probably be as an upgrade to Veteran Squads, as they are the only Guardsmen with BS4 in the summary.
Veteran Squads
Have been rumoured to become upgrades to platoons rather than Elites choices and may work like Ork Ard Boyz in that you may upgrade one unit in the whole army. Although a newer rumour says they probably won’t be upgrades for platoons.
Veteran Sergeant 3 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Veteran 3 4 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Veteran heavy weapons team 3 4 3 3 2 3 2 7 5+
Troops
Imperial Guard Platoons
Platoons will supposedly be structured as follows:
1 command squad
Plus up to 5 of the following taking into account specific limitations -
2 - 5 infantry squads
0 - 5 heavy weapons squads
(this is suspected to be a typo)
0 - 2 special weapons squads
0 - 1 conscript squad
The entire platoon with all these squads will only take one Troops selection in the FOC.
Platoon commander 4 4 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Sergeant 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Guardsmen 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Heavy Weapons team 3 3 3 3 2 3 2 7 5+
A newer rumour suggests there is a possiblility the minimum Platoon size is acutally 1 Squad and Command Squads are not compulsory, which could allow for Armoured Fist Squads to be recreated.
Platoons are rumoured to be able to attach sentinels, chimeras, and hellhounds as support vehicles, but not demolishers as previously thought. Support Vehicles would still take up a FOC spot, but become part of the platoon and so would benefit from “Platoon Drill” and other Platoon-wide rules.
Platoons will supposedly benefit from a special rule called "Platoon Drill" which grants the ability to ignore any other squad within the Platoon for the purposes of determining the enemy's cover save. What this means is that the Guard squads will get a cover save when being shot at through a squad in the same Platoon, but their enemy will not get one when the squad shoots back. This will supposedly only work if the Vox network is still intact.
Platoons are rumoured to be able to merge into one big unit (sort of the opposite of Space Marine combat squads). The IG player chooses at the beginning of the game to deploy either as a singe unit or as separate squads. If deployed as a unit, they will probably have to stay within coherency, but will count as 1 Kill Point. If deployed separately they yield individual KPs.
There has been much talk about a point decrease to 4points per Guardsman. This has also been rumoured to be 50 point Infantry squads (10 men with Sgt, Heavy Bolter & Flamer). Another rumour says the basic squad load-out will be 10 Lasguns or 9 Lasguns and a Laspistol for 40 points.
Heavy weapons teams will be a single 2W entity, like a Space Marine Attack Bike.
Conscripts
Special Rules not known. Originally rumoured to include a Commissar and several Heavy Bolters which would mow down fleeing Conscripts. This rumour is pretty much dead at the moment.
Conscript 2 2 3 3 1 3 1 5 5+
Penal Battalion
50 pts. 1 Penal Guardand 9 Penal Legionnaires. Equipped with a Lasgun and close combat weapon. Scouts, Stubborn, "Desperate". No news on what the last Special Rule may entail.
Penal Guard 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Penal Legionnaire 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Transports
Chimera
55 pts. Tank, Amphibious, Mobile Command Vehicle. Multi-laser, hull Heavy Bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers. Options: Upgrade Multi-laser to Heavy Flamer or Heavy Bolter - free; hull Heavy Bolter to Heavy Flamer - free; Storm Bolter or Heavy Stubber +10pts, Hunter-Killer Missile +10pts, Dozer Blade +10 pts, Extra Armour +15pts, Camo Netting +20pts.
Chimera 3 12 10 10
Valkyrie
Fast Skimmer. Troops may disembark at any point in its movement, but more than 12" and they take a dangerous terrain check. Was rumoured to allow embarked troops to deploy after deep striking. Another rumour says they will be able to DS more accurately like Drop Pods. It was originally rumoured to only be a transport for Stormtroopers, but more recently it has been said it will be available to all units that have access to Chimeras. This may be tied to a Special Character.
Valkyrie 3 12 12 10
Hellfury Missile 72 4 5 Heavy 1, Large Blast, One use Only
Fast Attack
Rough Riders
Special Rules not known
Rough Rider Sergeant 3 3 3 3 1 3 2 8 5+
Rough Riders 3 3 3 3 1 3 1 7 5+
Recon Sentinels
Retain Scout, but only have the option to be open topped.
Recon Sentinel 3 3 5 10 10 10 3 1
Hellhound
Hellhound 3 12 12 10
Inferno Cannon Template* 6 4 Heavy 1
Devildog
Devildog 3 12 12 10
Melta Cannon 24 8 1 Small blast, Melta
Banewolf
Banewolf 3 12 12 10
Chemical Cannon Template 1 3 Poison (2+)
Valkyrie Vendetta
The “up-gunned” version of the Valkyrie.
Vendetta 3 12 12 10
Multiple Rocket Launcher 24 4 6 Heavy 1, Large Blast.
Hellstrike Missile 72 8 3 Ordnance 1, One use only
Heavy Support
Spearhead Sentinels
Heavy Support Sentinels will supposedly lose Scout, but will be enclosed and have options for heavy weapons such as the Plasma Cannon.
Armoured Sentinel 3 3 5 12 10 10 3 1
Leman Russ
Can reportedly be bought as a squadron so you can get 3 for a single FOC. It is unclear if this is a true Vehicle Squadron, or a three-to-a-slot situation.
Russ’ have been rumoured to cost 150 points with increased Sponson cost, so a LR will supposedly cost 180 points with 3 HB.
They have been rumoured to come with a hull heavy bolter, smoke launchers and searchlight as standard.
Leman Russ Battle Tank
Leman Russ 3 14 13 10
Battlecannon 72 8 3 Ordnance , Large Blast
Leman Russ Exterminator
Exterminator 3 14 13 10
Exterminator Autocannon 48 7 4 Heavy 4, Twin Linked
Leman Russ Vanquisher
Vanquisher 3 14 13 10
Vanquisher cannon 72 8 2 Heavy 1 +1D6 penetration.
Leman Russ Eradicator
Eradicator 3 14 13 10
Eradicator Nova Cannon 36 6 4 Heavy 1, Large blast Ignores cover saves.
Leman Russ Demolisher
Demolisher 3 14 13 11
Demolisher Cannon 24 10 2 Ordnance , Large Blast
Leman Russ Punisher
Punisher 3 14 13 11
Punisher Gatling Cannon 24 5 - Heavy 20
Leman Russ Executioner
Executioner 3 14 13 11
Executioner Plasma Cannon 36 7 2 Heavy 3, small blast.
Lumbering Behemoth rule - Can choose to move 6" and fire all weapons (rumoured to include Ordinance weapons) or fire nothing and move 6" +1D6".
Basilisk
Open Topped. Can possibly be enclosed
Basilisk 3 12 10 10
Earthshaker Cannon 36-240 9 3 Ordnance , Large Blast
Medusa
Open Topped. Can possibly be enclosed
Medusa 3 12 10 10
Medusa Cannon 36 10 2 Ordnance , Large Blast.
Medusa Bunker Buster 48 10 1 Heavy 1, Blast.
Hydra
Hydra 3 12 10 10
Hydra Autocannon 72 7 4 Heavy 2
It is assumed each Hydra will have multiple Hydra Autocannon (either 2 Twin Linked or 4)
Colossus
Open Topped. Can possibly be enclosed
Colossus 3 12 10 10
Colossus Siege mortar 24-240 6 3 Ordnance , Large Blast
Griffon
Open Topped. Can possibly be enclosed
Griffon 3 12 10 10
Griffon Mortar 12-48 6 4 Ordnance barrage, Large Blast\
Manticore
Manticore 3 12 10 10
Storm Eagle Rockets 24-120 10 4 Ordnance 1D3, Barrage, Large Blast
Deathstrike
Deathstrike 3 12 10 10
Deathstrike Missile 12-unlimtd 10 1 Ordnance barrage, D3+3” Blast, one Use only
Special Rules:
- Cannot be fired on Turn 1. Each turn roll a D6, weapon can be fired on a 6. Modifiers: +1 per turn, -1 for each crew stunned or weapon destroyed results sustained. Can always be fired on the roll of a natural 6.
- Any weapon destroyed results received are ignored, the only effect they have is to delay the launch.
- Hits on vehicles in the area of the Deathstrike Missile are not calculated at half strength but at S10.
For a much clearer and far prettier version of the summary, please refer to Scryer in the Darkness' translation here:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthrea ... ost3308536 
