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Näinhän se siis meni mutta kysymys on yhä miksi? Tämähän ei siis ollut totta (keisari > horus) eli mistä tuollainen ajatus on tullut sen päähän.Kaapelikala kirjoitti:Horus uskoi, että Keisari oli heikko ja ihmiskunta tarvitsee uuden, vahvemman suojelijan.
Päinvastoin, Horus löytyi ekana joten todennäköisimmin häntä halattiin liikaa.Z7-852 kirjoitti: Ehkä horusta ei halattu pienenä.
Oletkos käynyt GW:n sivuilla ?sir back up kirjoitti:ok... no tulipa asia selväksi. :P
onko gw tehnyt asiasta kirjaa tenhny kirjaa tai kirjoja??
Hmm. Onko heittää lähdettä?Z7-852 kirjoitti:Kyllähän primarkkien luonti on suhteellisen tarkkaan selvillä
The Horus Heresy: Collected Visions (page 24):
That there is such a strong link between the Primarchs and their Legion suggests that they were crucial in the invention of the Space Marines. Certainly the Space Marines share genetic material and some physical and mental traits with their Primarch. So strong was this link that as the Primarchs were encountered in turn they became the natural and obvious leader of the Legion with whom they had so much in common.
Kirjanen kyseenalaistaa myös Primarchien syntyyn liittyneen Warp-ilmiön:The Horus Heresy: Collected Visions (page 27):
Some say the Primarchs were created from the Emperor's own generic stock, each engineered to be a leader of men, a warrior and a hero, each a mighty warlord whose martial prowess is only matched be his charisma and mental prowess, each with special powers that set them apart from normal men.
Was it the Emperor's plan that they would be the ones to lead Mankind away from the powers of darkness and into a new golden age? Or were they merely a by-product of the experiments that resulted in the creation of the Space Marines.
Eli tuosta opuksesta ei löytynyt mitään selkeää Primarchien luomisesta. Jätetään enemmänkin arvailujen varaan.The Horus Heresy: Collected Visions (page 27):
What was the mysterious force that scattered the infant Primarchs across the galaxy? The few records that exist of this event are vague and unclear. Tradition has it that it was a warp vortex - a swirling maelstorm that opens a portal or doorway between distant planets. The truth will likely never be known.
And what of the Scattering? Was it devised be the Emperor so that the Primarchs might learn to live a life beyond the laboratory within which they were spawned? Was it so they might carve a destiny for themselves and prove their worth? Or were darker forces at work? Was this some devious plot by the Dark Gods to foil the Emperor's dreams and dash his hopes to save humanity? Stranger still the theory that the primal psychic energies employed in their creation could not be contained in their foetal forms, and its release created a vortex.
The Horus Heresy - False Gods, 291-292 kirjoitti: 'Look around you, Horus,’ said Sejanus. 'Do you think that the science of man alone could have created a being such as a primarch? If such technology existed, why not create a hundred Horuses, a thousand? No, a bargain was made that saw you emerge from its forging. I know, for the masters of the warp are as much your father as the Emperor,’
'No!' shouted Horus. 'I won't believe you. The primarchs are my brothers, the Emperor's sons created from his own flesh and blood and each a part of him.
''Each a part of him, yes, but where did such power come from? He bargained with the gods of the warp for a measure of their power.
That is what he invested in you, not his paltry human power.'The gods of the warp? What are you talking about, Sejanus?'The entities whose realm is being destroyed by the Emperor,' said Sejanus. 'Intelligences, xenos creatures, gods? Does it matter what terminology we use for them? They have such incredible power that they might as well be gods by your reckoning. They command the secrets of life and death and all that lies between. Experience, change, war and decay, they are all are part of the endless cycle of existence, and the gods of the warp hold dominion over them all. Their power flows through your veins and bestows incredible abilities upon you. The Emperor has long known of them and he came to them many centuries ago, offering friendship and devotion.
''He would never do such a thing!' denied Horus.
"You underestimate his lust for power, my friend,’ said Sejanus as they made their way back towards the steps that led down to the laboratory floor. 'The gods of the warp are powerful, but they do not understand this material universe, and the Emperor was able to betray them, stealing away their power for himself. In creating you, he passed on but a tiny measure of that power.'Horus felt his breath come in short, painful bursts. He wanted to deny Sejanus's words, but part of him knew that this was no lie. Like any man, his future was uncertain, but his past had always been his own. His glories and life had been forged with his own two hands, but even now, they were being stripped away from him by the Emperor's treachery.
'So we are tainted,’ whispered Horus. 'All of us.'
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hastur_SejanusDrakojan kirjoitti:Ottaen huomioon, että "Sejanus" (eli se Word Bearerssien kappalainen) oli Kaaoksen kätyri käännyttämässä Horusta, tuohon voi varmaankin suhtautua varauksella.
Niin, juurihan minä sen sanoin. Mutta kiitos tarkennuksesta kun en nimeä muistanut.Half-breed kirjoitti:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hastur_SejanusDrakojan kirjoitti:Ottaen huomioon, että "Sejanus" (eli se Word Bearerssien kappalainen) oli Kaaoksen kätyri käännyttämässä Horusta, tuohon voi varmaankin suhtautua varauksella.
Se kappalainen oli kylläkin Erebus joka oli ottanut Sejanuksen hahmon vietelläkseen Horuksen Kaaokseen.