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Kysymys kuuluu. Abaddonin Deamon Sword Drach``nyen and Talon of Horus.

Sivu 46
Lause: The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

Sivu 93
Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.

Elikkä onko Abaddonin oma Daemon weapon +d6 s8 ilman sitä että jos heität ykkösen.
Tai käytääkö se "normaalia" Daemon weapon sääntö ja lisäksi omat säännöt? Koska Abaddonilla lukee että sillä on kaikkien jumalten markit. Sivu46 Unique Mark that combines all of the Gifts. Hieman Ristiriidassa säännöt. sivu 46 ja 93

Jos Abaddon heittää ykkösen, se leikkaa itseltään käden irti. Tiedä sitten sen melan muuttuvuudesta.

Kaapelikala kirjoitti:Jos Abaddon heittää ykkösen, se leikkaa itseltään käden irti. Tiedä sitten sen melan muuttuvuudesta.

Mistä se ykkösen heitto tulee? Koska jos sitä käytetään normi Demoni aseena... Hmm Abaddonilla olis +2d6 attacks, S8, vounds on 4+ ,inflict instant death. Ja se voi viel ampuu d6 ap3 s8 laukausta? Mikäli tota käytetään normaalina demoni aseena "sääntöjen" mukaan... Ja piste hinta olisi liian halpa tollasesta. Vaikka lojalistit tekee totllasia paljon halvemmalla =D

Näkisin että sitä pelataan niillä sen omilla säännöillä. Mitä profiilissa lukee. Mutta pikemminkin haluaisin tietää miten porukka pelaa Abaddonilla.

THE MASTER kirjoitti:

Kaapelikala kirjoitti:Jos Abaddon heittää ykkösen, se leikkaa itseltään käden irti. Tiedä sitten sen melan muuttuvuudesta.

Mistä se ykkösen heitto tulee? Koska jos sitä käytetään normi Demoni aseena... Hmm Abaddonilla olis +2d6 attacks, S8, vounds on 4+ ,inflict instant death. Ja se voi viel ampuu d6 ap3 s8 laukausta? Mikäli tota käytetään normaalina demoni aseena "sääntöjen" mukaan... Ja piste hinta olisi liian halpa tollasesta. Vaikka lojalistit tekee totllasia paljon halvemmalla =D

Näkisin että sitä pelataan niillä sen omilla säännöillä. Mitä profiilissa lukee. Mutta pikemminkin haluaisin tietää miten porukka pelaa Abaddonilla.

Siis hä? Siinä lukee, että seuraa sen normaalin daemon weaponin sääntöjä, ei niitten erikoismallien.

Kylis kirjoitti:

THE MASTER kirjoitti:

Kaapelikala kirjoitti:Jos Abaddon heittää ykkösen, se leikkaa itseltään käden irti. Tiedä sitten sen melan muuttuvuudesta.

Mistä se ykkösen heitto tulee? Koska jos sitä käytetään normi Demoni aseena... Hmm Abaddonilla olis +2d6 attacks, S8, vounds on 4+ ,inflict instant death. Ja se voi viel ampuu d6 ap3 s8 laukausta? Mikäli tota käytetään normaalina demoni aseena "sääntöjen" mukaan... Ja piste hinta olisi liian halpa tollasesta. Vaikka lojalistit tekee totllasia paljon halvemmalla =D

Näkisin että sitä pelataan niillä sen omilla säännöillä. Mitä Abaddonin omassa profiilissa lukee. Mutta pikemminkin haluaisin tietää miten porukka pelaa Abaddonilla.

Siis hä? Siinä lukee, että seuraa sen normaalin daemon weaponin sääntöjä, ei niitten erikoismallien.

Muten hyvä mutta, ei ole normaalia Demon weaponin sääntöä! Koska se deamon weaponin profiili määritetään Markin mukaan mitä se tekee. Jos se on Undivided weapon sitten se antaa +1s ja d6 attackia.

"instead of the normal +1" kyl viittaa siihen, että kyseessä oli undivided miekka.

THE MASTER kirjoitti:Otsikko: CSM Abaddon The Despoler Warmaster of Chaos

THE MASTER kirjoitti:

HerraMauno kirjoitti:"instead of the normal +1" kyl viittaa siihen, että kyseessä oli undivided miekka.

Jos siinä olisi lukenut:
The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a (Undivided Daemon Weapon) that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.

Sivu 46
Lause: The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

Missään ei sanota että, se seurais normidemoniweaponin sääntöjä "virallisesti" Ainoastaan Nimi mainitaan ja että dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1 mutta, jos se kerran on normi demoiase jossa vain +1 on nyt 8 ja saa rerollit to woundeihin nii saako se sitten 2d6koska jos se perii normia aseen säännöt +d6 ja Abaddonil lukee erikseen et se on +d6
eli sillä olis 4+2d6 s8 hyökkäystä josta yks d6 ei välitä ykkösestä koska sitä ei mainita Abaddonin säänöissä ja toinen d6 joka välittää koska se on sen normi aseen?

Power weapon, +d6 iskua, S8, ykkösellä sattuu, kaks kättä, ja rerollii haavotukset.

THE MASTER kirjoitti:

THE MASTER kirjoitti:Otsikko: CSM Abaddon The Despoler Warmaster of Chaos

THE MASTER kirjoitti:

HerraMauno kirjoitti:"instead of the normal +1" kyl viittaa siihen, että kyseessä oli undivided miekka.

Jos siinä olisi lukenut:
The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a (Undivided Daemon Weapon) that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.

Sivu 46
Lause: The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

Missään ei sanota että, se seurais normidemoniweaponin sääntöjä "virallisesti" Ainoastaan Nimi mainitaan ja että dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1 mutta, jos se kerran on normi demoiase jossa vain +1 on nyt 8 ja saa rerollit to woundeihin nii saako se sitten 2d6koska jos se perii normia aseen säännöt +d6 ja Abaddonil lukee erikseen et se on +d6
eli sillä olis 4+2d6 s8 hyökkäystä josta yks d6 ei välitä ykkösestä koska sitä ei mainita Abaddonin säänöissä ja toinen d6 joka välittää koska se on sen normi aseen?

Säännöissä ei myöskään lue, että vastapuolta voi vetää turpaan. Vastapuolta ei silti saa vetää turpaan.

What if:

Sivu 46
Lause: The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

Sivu 93
Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.


means:

The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that doubles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.



? WHY ?

Because:

<ignore> Sivu 46
<ignore>Lause:
The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

<ignore>Sivu 93

Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.

comes:


The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that
<typo here, can be fixed, so add "u", to be more specific, make the add between "o" and "b" in word "dobles" Also Strength>.dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
<notice to those, that wonders what means the 'Daemon Weapon' in this sentence, should also include power weapon, but that luckily has been clear enough, can be deleted> *Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

<weapons name, Daemon weapon, has been given, so it can be deleted> Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
<notice to those, that wonders what means those marks below this. In case of Abaddon this has no meaning, because you cannot find mark named "Unique Mark that combines all of the Gifts", so can be deleted>*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.

And we get result:

The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that doubles his strength (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.

And now, what we can read out of that? :
Daemon Weapon, S8, Re-roll failed wounds (in close combat only), 2 handed, +d6A (any 1's here makes wound to carrier (the abaddon model).

Where we have seen that...??

Oberon kirjoitti:Power weapon, +d6 iskua, S8, ykkösellä sattuu, kaks kättä, ja rerollii haavotukset.

oh... there it was...

Risto.Salonen kirjoitti:What if:

Sivu 46
Lause: The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

Sivu 93
Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.


means:

The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that doubles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.



? WHY ?

Because:

<ignore> Sivu 46
<ignore>Lause:
The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
*Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

<ignore>Sivu 93

Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.

comes:


The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that
<typo here, can be fixed, so add "u", to be more specific, make the add between "o" and "b" in word "dobles" Also Strength>.dobles his strenght (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
<notice to those, that wonders what means the 'Daemon Weapon' in this sentence, should also include power weapon, but that luckily has been clear enough, can be deleted> *Abaddon has +d6 attacs from Daemon Weapon*

<weapons name, Daemon weapon, has been given, so it can be deleted> Daemon Weapon: Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.
<notice to those, that wonders what means those marks below this. In case of Abaddon this has no meaning, because you cannot find mark named "Unique Mark that combines all of the Gifts", so can be deleted>*Has an additionalability that varies depending on the mark given to the bearer as descrided below.

And we get result:

The effects of these two powerful artefacts means that Abaddon counts as equipped with a Daemon Weapon that doubles his strength (to Strenght 8 as shown in the profile) instead of the normal +1, and he may re-roll any failed roll to wound in close combat.
Requires two hands to use, Is a power weapon, Adds an extra d6 attacks in close combat. Roll the dice every time the model is about to attack. If the result is a 1, The bound Daemon whithin the weapon rebels- the model may not make any attacks in this round and suffers one wound whit no armour saves allowed.

And now, what we can read out of that? :
Daemon Weapon, S8, Re-roll failed wounds (in close combat only), 2 handed, +d6A (any 1's here makes wound to carrier (the abaddon model).

Where we have seen that...??

Oberon kirjoitti:Power weapon, +d6 iskua, S8, ykkösellä sattuu, kaks kättä, ja rerollii haavotukset.

oh... there it was...

This is the stuff! Näin mä sen halusin. Enkä mitään selityksiä vastapelaajan turpaan vedosta. Kiitoksia Risto Salonen ja muut haluisin juurikin näin miten Risto tämän ilmaisi. Että mistä ja miksi ja miten =)

Tää on vaikee peli :)