Skaven -huhuja

[Isompi Arska]

Niin, ne vaanivat joka puolella, vaikka virkavalta ja psykiatrit toisin sanovat. Mutta ostakaa nyt joku nuo pois, haluan niistä vain eroon kun en ole rotilla jaksanut pelata en niinkään pieneen hetkeen :(((. Pedot on vaa niin paljon kivempiä eläimiä

[Rune]

Niin, ne vaanivat joka puolella, vaikka virkavalta ja psykiatrit toisin sanovat. Mutta ostakaa nyt joku nuo pois, haluan niistä vain eroon kun en ole rotilla jaksanut pelata en niinkään pieneen hetkeen :(((. Pedot on vaa niin paljon kivempiä eläimiä

Komppaan. Siksi ne ovatkin miun kakkosarmeija. :) Ei oo vaan miun osalta tullut pelattua niitä kai kahteen vuoteen. Ota selvää.

Eniveis, se offista. Lisää skaveneita odotellessa, anyone?

[Morhgoz]

I can confirm Deathmaster does indeed have a dagger in his tail!

Tsk, tsk, tsk...
You don't read my posts carefully....

Moreover, on the number of core troops, in the old book we had:
Clanrats
Skavenslaves
Stormvermin
Swarms
Nightrunners
Giant rats
Poisoned Wind Globadiers

Now, with the exception of PWG, ALL of them can be put in ranks and they are all core.

I mean, a lot of choices, aren't they?

I see the comments on rat-horses has gone. Which is good.
Mounts are only for characters and ,yes, Nurglitch will be used a lot both as a Warlord and a Plague priest.
Ratogre option is another mount (indeed I have still to understand the use of it).
What about the third mount type? Stay tuned!


P.S. No, it's not the bell or the furnace
Something more like...I don't know.... but why don't you ask Thorgrim?

wardancer on the UE mentioned that rat swarms are non 0-1 and 25 pts each. Makes them a solid choice again IMO.

I believe the mentioned rumoured mount options are:

Grey Seer - Screaming Bell
Plague Priest - Plague Furnace, Giant Rat
Warlord - Rat Ogre, Giant Rat, Throne(?)
Warlock Engineer - Doomwheel(?)

Please correct me if I'm wrong Muriat (and thanks for the rumours).

You almost got it. Last one not correct. Doomwheel has an Engineer riding it, but... no hero choice. Remember the Engineer in the WLC? Same.

BTW, Engineer (hero choice) will have a cost of....say 3 times the minimum number of NRs in the 6th edition. Why so?


Replying to ULF: both confirmed

EDIT : But that's not it.

It is a litter.

Heres a definition of a litter : Historical, a vehicle containing a bed or seat enclosed by curtains and carried on men's shoulders or by animals. A stretcher, for transporting the sick and wounded.

Throne seemed to imply kingship. (unless you take the greek/latin meaning of thronos which simply implies an elevated seat).

Ikit Claw will be a spellcasting nightmare. As well as being pretty decent in combat to boot. He will be able to use all 13 of the Skaven spells (warlock and grey seer ones, plague priest ones and the 13th spell) or can use any of the normal 8 lores.

Here's a snipit from theunderempire:
"Seers are Ld 7, bell or not."
"Plauge Catapults are str 2, no armour save, 5" template and if unit hit is wounded it takes a panic test."

Hmm..For the plague catapult we will have to wait to see the absolute full details on it and how much it costs before we judge its usage IMO. If its say 70pts (as much as an orc lobba) it should be worth its points since it can still hurt alot on T3 enemies (Elves, Bretts, Empire, Goblins, Pendant dreadlord, Other Skaven! etc.). I would guess that the crew would be a bit tougher because they would have to be plague monks or something similar.
So lets just say for instance its 70pts and it has the following rules and stats.
-Str 2, No armour save, 5" template.
-If unit is wounded it causes a panic test.
-Crew Frenzied?, T 4. Not much of a difference but its something.

Now the rock lobba
-Str 4, No armour save, 3" template.
-Crew T3. (Not including the bully because he is an upgrade)

So the rock lobba is better at killing Quality while the plague catapult is great for killing Quantity.

I just hope its not priced higher than 80pts max for then it would just not be worth it is these are its full rules.

Fortunetly we have plenty of tools for dealing with High T troops anyway so its a nice change.

cheers.

This arent my rumors. I just summarized the rumors on The Underempire. hf



SiN is in
still +1“ flight
you can still decline challenges and use LD for the unit
life is cheap only for slaves

Vermin Lord is back
Doom Wheel is back
Seer LD7
Assassin is a hero choice
Giantrat and RO mounts for warlord
Warplock pistol or muskets for all characters

Clanrats 4 points
Nightrunner 7 points, no skirmish, one movement before the battle starts, two hand weapons and throwing stars included, still LD6 (9 with full ranks)
Stormvermin 7 points with halberds and option for shields, S3, 25 points magic Items for the champion
Ratswarms 25 points

Rat Ogres 40 points, 8 points for each handler, frenzy, champion with WS4, A4, master moulder is a kind of unit champion with LD 6 and option for things catcher, no mixed units with Ratogres and giant rats.
Jezzails S6
Gutter Runner 6+ ward save
Plague Monks no poison

Hellpit Abomination is in and „hard as nails“
Plague Catapult S2, no AS, panic test, 5“ template
Plague Furnance giant cencer pushed by plague monks, impact hits and gas
Warplightning Cannon fires like a common cannon with a 3“ template at the very end of the line, S still random, no AS, D6 wounds, crew doesnt have to flee, LD 7, ~90 points

5 different weapon teams
Ratling
Warpfire thrower
Poisoned wind mortar, similar to globadiers
A hand to hand weapon team with impact hits and additional attacks
Warpdrill to tunnel for eshin units

13 different spells, 6 for warlocks, 6 for plague priests
Double 6 is IF
D3 warpstone tokens for every mage at the start of the game
Warp lightning does only d6 hits and 1 still hits the caster
Spell to stop fliers
Spell for -1 BS to all enemy shooting

cheers

A redshirt at my Local Game Store told that the Plague Furnace is a mount for a plague lord/priest. He said it works like a cauldron of blood, giving a bonus like poisoned attacks or frenzy to nearby units, whilst Pestilens units nearby either Hatred or Stubborn (he said he couldn't remember which). It also supposedly has Plague Monk "Guards", and can cast a bound spell.

I can see this being an extremely valuable, but it could easily be baited if the plague priest still has frenzy. I am not sure about the validity of this, as the redshirt in question is new at the store.

Hey, I got some news. I spent a full evening pressing my source and....

Storm banner is like the old one except it runs out at 4+. Which I think is probably better than before. No need of BSB.

Warpscroll now st 2

An item modifies the effect of Warplightning: D6+2 hits

Weeping blade: AP, D3 wounds (bleah...) Can be used by GR champion

Stay tuned.

[Eöl the Dark Elf]

Taidanpa tarvita lisää rottia. Halvemmat clannyt, ogret ja stormyt. Mutta ihan suhteellisen mukavan näköistä muuten, tosi Life is Cheap saisi kyllä pysyä ylipäätään.

-Eöl

[halko]

EIJEI furnacea

Kaikille täytii siis nykyään saada joku staattinen boostaaja

[Morhgoz]

Kaveri lupasi että saan tehdä muotit sen vanhoista rat ogreista -> resiinivalut -> 4 edikan r.ogreiasta ja 6 r.ogreista...

[Morhgoz]

Eli saan halvalla parhaat rat ogret.... ;D

[jupu_pupu_mies]

Eli saan halvalla parhaat rat ogret.... ;D

viittitkö myydä niitä muutaman mullekkin :D?

[Morhgoz]

Eli saan halvalla parhaat rat ogret.... ;D

viittitkö myydä niitä muutaman mullekkin :D?

En ,koska silloin rikkoisin lakia... ;)

ehi guys!

Asmodai on italian GW Tilea board posted a lot of cool 99% confirmed things (as in past for warriors of chaos nex codex) from GW official sources
http://www.forumgwtilea.it/forum/ind...ic=93452&st=40


Lord:
-Skrolk
-Ikit Claw
-Thanquol with Boneripper 1D6+2 warpstone tokens
-Throt
-Queek

Vermin Lord returns as Lord choice (no info about the summon spell thing)
lvl 4° wizard, WS 5+, good stats like a Giant but with high WS and fast as an horse (M7? 8?).
Rat Demon special rule (maybe it's the summon spell thing)

Warlord like in past with RatOgre mount, Giant Rat mount or WarLitter

Grey Seer with D3 tokens with Doom Beel as riding mount


Heroes:
-Snikch
-Tretch
-Assassin with poisoned attacks, ASF with I8, dodging skill (WS 4+), SPECIAL scout rule and one or two more rules.
-Warlock Engineer lvl 1/2° wizard and/or can be equipped with guns and musket with also "Gun Sight/Aim" add-on item....so you can use him like an Empire Sniper with Hochland rifle
about the Wizard aspect, the Warp Condenser or Accumulator (don't remember) is an Arcane item that at 5+ creates a power dice....also for Warp Lightning it adds +2 hits to the result (but 1 still hit the Warlock).
it seems that the Doomwheel isn't an available riding mount :| ... (hitsu note: strange...i always tought it was a riding mount for warlocks!)

-Chieftain
-Plague Priest with Giant Rat or Plague Fournace as riding mounts....Plague Fournace as doom bell must be pushed, cause impact hits and probably bonus for Pestilens units and probably Toughtness tests around

Core:
-Clan Rats
-Stormvermin no more 0-1, 50points magic banner and 15points for champion
Both with 4 available Weapon Teams.....Ratling, Warpfire Thrower, Poison Wind Mortar and Doom Flayer (melee blades machine with probable impact hits)
-Slaves
-Night Runners in ranks with special rules Slinking Advance (movement before start...like Ghouls with that bloodline power) and weapon team Warp Grinder (tunnel)

-Giant Rats same but you can add a Special Character (????)

-Swarms low points cost and seems that they can't be plague swarms no more

Special
-Monks the same, no poison attack
-Censer Bearers!!!!! with A2 in profile + 1 from the Fury!!!
-Jezzail same with champion at BS 4
-Poison Wind Globadiers as special choice 5-15 with available a special globe and the Poison Wind Mortar weapon team
-Gutter Runners no more tunnel but special scout rule, skirmishers and Warp Grinder as weapon team (and so they will tunnel again )
-Rattogre as now but Fury

Rare
-Hell Pit Abomination: 3d6 movement, Strenght Toughness and Wounds as a Giant , D6 impact hits + special attacks (probably similar to Giants), Large Target, Regeneration, Terror, Stubborn and 3 special rules:

"Too Horrible to Die" probably a resurrection at 4+
"Shambling Horror" (???? maybe about the special attacks like the Giant)
"Warpstone spikes" (???? i suppose it's something like shooting spikes like the Razordon Pack for Lizardmen)

-Doom Wheel
-Warp Lighting Cannon
-PlagueClaw Catapult

sorry i forgot the part about master moulder....

he is a champion model for rattogre unit (don't know if also for giant rats packs) with good stats and 2 Wounds and some mundane items (no magic items) up to 30points

I'm not sure if this is news to anyone...

But I recently learnt a little about them that hopefully hasn't been said before, this is from someone who has seen the book, giving it a quick lookover. So, he could be wrong...

-Weapon teams function as they do now but if they are within a certain range of their parent unit they get a 4+ ward save.
-The 25+ spell causes 4D6 models in a unit to be turned into Clanrats. It can only be cast on models with Unit Strength 1 (hooray for my Bretonnians.)
-The Giant Plague Cauldron thing apparently has awesomely sculpted plastic smoke!
-Queek Headtaker is apparently very cool looking and has a Rat Ogre skeleton on his trophy rack.

New all plastic poxes are:

Clanrats: 26 EURO
Storm Vermin: 39 Euro
Doomwheel: 26 Euro
Screaming Bell: 45,50 Euro
Battalion: 85 Euro

I think it's easily possible to calculate the GBP and/or Dollar prices by comparing prices with other kits. Some boxes to compare:

Clanrats/doomwheel is same price as the new Lord of the Rings Galadhrim Knights/warriors, Screaming Bell the same as new steam tank, Battalian same as Cadian Battleforce. I have nothing to compare the stormvermin, though.

Cheers Bram. Those match up with my product code pricelist I posted earlier, which provides:

Clanrats: £20.00 / US$33.00 / 26,00€ / Oz$55.00
Stormvermin: £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00€ / Oz$83.00
Doomwheel*: 26,00€
Screaming Bell*: 45,50€
Battalion: £55.00 / US$105.00 / 85,00€ / Oz$160.00

*I don't have these in my product code list so can't give prices for all regions.

[HE-man]

Rare
-Hell Pit Abomination: 3d6 movement, Strenght Toughness and Wounds as a Giant , D6 impact hits + special attacks (probably similar to Giants), Large Target, Regeneration, Terror, Stubborn and 3 special rules:

"Too Horrible to Die" probably a resurrection at 4+
"Shambling Horror" (???? maybe about the special attacks like the Giant)
"Warpstone spikes" (???? i suppose it's something like shooting spikes like the Razordon Pack for Lizardmen)

... naamapalmu

[Teonanacatl]

Rare
-Hell Pit Abomination: 3d6 movement, Strenght Toughness and Wounds as a Giant , D6 impact hits + special attacks (probably similar to Giants), Large Target, Regeneration, Terror, Stubborn and 3 special rules:

"Too Horrible to Die" probably a resurrection at 4+
"Shambling Horror" (???? maybe about the special attacks like the Giant)
"Warpstone spikes" (???? i suppose it's something like shooting spikes like the Razordon Pack for Lizardmen)

... naamapalmu

GW:llä taitaa olla olla erikoissääntökaappi jo pursuamassa yli, joten lätkäistiin kerralla puolet läjästä yhdelle mönsterille.

[Gilaelin]

Uuh. Tekisivät jo sen uuden welffikirjan. Tahdon nähdä, mitä tuo tuontantotiimi saisi aikaan puumiehelle <3.

[Rune]

Rare
-Hell Pit Abomination: 3d6 movement, Strenght Toughness and Wounds as a Giant , D6 impact hits + special attacks (probably similar to Giants), Large Target, Regeneration, Terror, Stubborn and 3 special rules:

"Too Horrible to Die" probably a resurrection at 4+
"Shambling Horror" (???? maybe about the special attacks like the Giant)
"Warpstone spikes" (???? i suppose it's something like shooting spikes like the Razordon Pack for Lizardmen)

... naamapalmu

GW:llä taitaa olla olla erikoissääntökaappi jo pursuamassa yli, joten lätkäistiin kerralla puolet läjästä yhdelle mönsterille.

Tai sitten joku työntekijä kävi dyykkaamassa erikoissääntöjen hautuumaalla ja sai 'tosi hienon idean'. Eniveis, miksei se tunneloi? Sen pitäisi tunneloida. I insist I get to whine more.

[Isompi Arska]

ja hinnat nousee

Mutta ei nuo asiat oikeesti pahoilta näytä kun yleisesti katsoo (jätän tuon hirvityksen tästä laskusta kuitenkin ulkopuolelle :P...). Viimeinkin saa kunnolla myöskin greater klaaneihin pohjautuvan listan kun tulee paljon kaikkia mielenkiintoisia vempeleitä, mitkä on kyllä mun puolesta ihan tervetulleita.

En kyllä tajua miks Furnacen pitää olla uuni... steriloivan hottia.
ja taitaa kirjaa olla tekemässä joku 40k pelaaja kun spämmitään tota invu-eiku-wardsavea ympäriinsä

[Morhgoz]

i got new confirmed infos by guys who read the codex:


-weapon teams all have BS 3 start inside the clan rat unit and then if they go out, they get a WS 4+ (i think only versus shooting and peraps magic) if they stay in certain " distance from the clan rat unit

-ratling need to roll to hit

-skaven lores: "The Skaven Spells of Ruin" and "The Skaven Spells of Plague"

-Vermin Lord is lord choice with
-cost like 50 dark elves witches
-immune to psicology
-special rule "Rat Demon" ????
-WS 5+
-D 7 or 8 don't remember
-terror
-large target
-lvl 4 wizard with lore of Ruin and/or lore of Plague
-M8
-WS 8
-S, T and W like a giant



-hellpit abomination is really mostruous in stats and rules for a cost like dark elves hydra + 6 de witches
a lot of special rules but no sign of Tunneling rule


-doom wheel 3d6 movement, immune to psico, impact hits and another rule, for 30 old clan rats with shields

-plague fornace does impact hits, "blessing" (probably like DE cauldron to pestilens units like monks), Fury, large target,


-screaming bell like 40 old clan rats with shields....so same cost ....i hope for better powers

-no more skirmish rule for Jezails
but sniper champion (probably it can target heroes and champion inside units like hochland rifle)
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D tuossa Verminlordissa tarkoittaa kait LD:tä...

[coiled one]

-D 7 or 8 don't remember

D tuossa Verminlordissa tarkoittaa kait LD:tä...

Jes, sitä uskaltaa siis mennä möyrimään Realities terällä.

[Lord Mikke]

Rare
-Hell Pit Abomination: 3d6 movement, Strenght Toughness and Wounds as a Giant , D6 impact hits + special attacks (probably similar to Giants), Large Target, Regeneration, Terror, Stubborn and 3 special rules:

"Too Horrible to Die" probably a resurrection at 4+
"Shambling Horror" (???? maybe about the special attacks like the Giant)
"Warpstone spikes" (???? i suppose it's something like shooting spikes like the Razordon Pack for Lizardmen)

... naamapalmu

Juuh, rupes oikeen naurattaan toi koko otus. Surkuhupaisaa menoa, just noiduin noita kauhun mörököllejä ja nyt Gw tekee jo niin suuren kliseen että se alkaa olla jo ihan oikeasti tyhmän hauskaa. Hei PLIIIIISS!!

Antas kenkää noille tyhmille suunnittelijoille.

[Teonanacatl]

Tuo "Too Horrible to Die" kuulostaa sellaiselta älynväläykseltä, jonka GW kopioi seuraaviin kirjoihinkin.

Vai miltä kuulostaisi "Too Elf to Die" 5+ resurrection? Ja wardit päälle vielä, sehän on sitä nykyhammeria.

*grumblegrumble...*

[Isompi Arska]

Juuh, rupes oikeen naurattaan toi koko otus. Surkuhupaisaa menoa, just noiduin noita kauhun mörököllejä ja nyt Gw tekee jo niin suuren kliseen että se alkaa olla jo ihan oikeasti tyhmän hauskaa. Hei PLIIIIISS!!

Antas kenkää noille tyhmille suunnittelijoille.

On kaikki muu sentään ihan hyvän maun sisällä. Ei skaveneista kyllä muuten ole tulossa tämmöstä OP aallonharja-armeijaa.
Jos tuo resurrection ei tule olemaan sillä keasti sääntönä, niin ei tuo abominaatiokaan mikään niin hirvitys ole, jos sitä tunneliin ei saa. Stubborn ja pieni liippa tuskin on kovin hirvittävä, sekä sillä on random liike, että siitä ei tule yhtä hyvä liikkuja kuin hydrasta esim. Vaikka sillä rege onkin, niin kyllä se turneeympäristössä kuolee.

Kunhan ei laita liian halvaksi otukseksi niin kelpaa kyllä tulla vastaan, kun muu armeija ei tule olemaan liian kovaa nieltävää

[HE-man]

Vai miltä kuulostaisi "Too Elf to Die" 5+ resurrection? Ja wardit päälle vielä, sehän on sitä nykyhammeria.

Mullakin tuli mieleen tollanen "Too f*cking awesome to die" jollekkin tulevalle helffi lordille :D. Tyrion ois kyllä kova ehdokas. Ja Hallarille "Too proud to die"...

Ei siis todellakaan näin. Ei näin voida vaan keksiä aivan urpoja sääntöjä ihan vaan siitä ilosta et "hei keksin uuden säännön!". Varsinkaan kun nimetään noin surkeasti. Toivottavasti nyt pysyy vaan huhuna tämmöinen sääntö, mieluiten koko ukko... Eivät kummiskaa vaivaudu ees tekee sille modellia