Skaven -huhuja

[Temathael]

Tässä on tyyppi ilmeisesti lukenut koko kirjan.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224403

En pistä tähän quotena koko tekstiä, kun on niin suunnaton tekstivalli.

Rat Abomination (or whatever it is called in english):
M3D6 WS3 BS0 S6 T5 W6 I4 AS LD8
- stubborn, terror, large target, regeneration
- move 3D6 like a chaos spawn BUTT if you role three similar numbers the rat spawn either goes braindead, runs havoc or mutates
- makes special attacks like a giant: 1-2 S6 hit for every model in base to base with no AS and D3 wounds, 3-4 it does 3D6 attacks with normal WS and every unit suffering a casualty hits the abomination on

-1 this turn, 5-6 Every model in BtB must make a I check or suffer a S6 hit with no AS AND the abomination deals 2D6 hits to a unit of choice like a jumping giant
- "to weird to die" rule: When its wounds drop to 0 roll a D6 at end of turn, 1-3 the abomination is realy dead, 4-5 it bursts into D3 rat swarms you may controll, 6 it revives with D6 wounds
- you may buy magic resistance (1) and magic attacks for a few points
- slightly more expensive than a giant

Äärimmäisen mielenkiintonen kuolemissääntö : >

- It's not exactly an army rule but all templates in te book auto hit partly covered models also

Ihanaa :)))

Banner of the shadow move:
- One use, The unit may tripple its movement when marching but suffers 2D6 S3 hits

Whoa

[IRiaD]

Tuo jättirotta kuulostaa kyllä ihan karsealta. Mä en vieläkään tahdo uskoa että sellainen on oikeasti tulossa.

[Morhgoz]

Tuo jättirotta kuulostaa kyllä ihan karsealta. Mä en vieläkään tahdo uskoa että sellainen on oikeasti tulossa.

Onhan tuolla reilukerholippu, joka antaa S 3 hitin ilman arskaa kaikille vihollisille basessa, sitten vielä heitetään vielä siihen Dragonprinssessoihin pari kertaa loitsu joka pudottaa joka kerta T:tä... Muutenkin lista on täynnä hauskoja tapoja tappaa haltioita isoissa nipuissa... Yksi hauskimmista esineitä on tuo Kristallipallo, joka ignoraa ekan woundin, mutta tekee jälkeenpäin käyttäjästään tyhmän, kun rotta käyttää aikaa ravistellakseen palloa nähdäkseen uusia vinkkejä ym... ;D Skryren raketinheitin, nähtävästi kertakäyttönen ja Eshinin pommikin

Temathiel jaksanut, mutta mä taidan tehdä sen, kun kerta kopionkin postin:

Default Skaven Army book confirmations (I have read it)
Hey Everybody. I througly read the new army book today so here's what I..... ok if I don't cut the Introduction the post is too long so just read it enjoy and stuff. You know

Army Rules:

- LD bonus for Ranks the same
- +1 Fleeing distance the same
- NO more shooting into close combat (unless under special circumstances but I'll come to that)
- NO more choosing who goes back after refuesed challenge, your opponent does that now as usual
- "Command from the last rank" is still there but you may not move back tere frequently any more. Only after refused challenges
- It's not exactly an army rule but all templates in te book auto hit partly covered models also
- no more total power on 13



Lords:

Rat Daemon:
- Point cost around aother greater deamons
- Profiles M8 WS8 BS0 S6 T5 W5 I(something high don't remembre) A5 LD8
- Rat deamon: May not join units
- Level 4 Wizard who can use any of the two skaven lores
- His blade does D3 wounds
- Is immune to psyche and naturaly has a 5+ ward save

Warlord:
- pretty much the same except:
- may ride a tamed rat ogre now (Tamed Rat ogre has M6 WS3 BS0 S5 T5 W4 I3 A4 LD4(I think) causes fear)
- May be carried by 4 storm Vermin on a Palanquin . It is on a 40 mm base grants him +1 armor, 4A S4 I5 WS4 and US2 AND its wicked cool if you ask me .

Grey Prophet:
- Now has LD7, carries D3+2 Warpstones, may ride a Screaming Bell (more about that later), may use both skaven lores

Heroes:

NOW it gets interesting

Chieftains:
- pretty much the same. No carry heavy armor as a basic and AST still allowes shilds and stuff but aside from that pretty much the same

Warlocks:
- Base cost is the cost of three old clanrats (Yes you'rereading right they are THAT cheap)
- may become a wizard making im as expensive as usual (no cheap caddy sorry) and an extra level for usual costs
- uses the lore of doom
- may get a warpstone musket (like a musket but with S5, magic and instable rule) for cost of an old storm vermin
- may buy a warpstone weapon (then has 2A S4) but its somewhat expensive

Plague priest:
- old stats, but costs more
- Level 1 Wizard as he comes
- may become level 2 as far as I recall
- old options
- may ride a plague steed (40mm base steed 1W S4 WS3 1A poison)
- may ride a wheird plague thing. I don't for all the warpstone in the world know how its named in english so I'll call in weird Plague Thingy :P

Asassin:
- YES he's a hero choice
- Old stats
- a little more expensive than old one
- ASF, 4+ dodge save
- all old rules plus Outflanking rule (may be put in reserve like tunnel teams and then enter over any table edge as if he had chased an enemy off the table)


Core units:

Clan Rats:
- little cheaper but no shields
- may get shields and7or spears for 1/2 point (YES, DON'T ASK 1/2 point as in the half of a point)
- may be accompanied by one of the following: Rattling Gun, Warpflamer, Thingshredder, Plague Mortar
- NO MORE Moterunits (you don't need one unit of clan rats for every other unit)

Skaven Slaves:
- same stats
- dispensible PLUS you may shoot into close combat as long only slaves are in there on your side
- desperate Frenzy: when slaves are broken in combat they deal D3 S3 hits to EVERYBODY in D6 arround them +1 hit per rank of the slaves and are then removed from te table
- musician is 2 points

Night Runners:
- are NOT skirmisers any more, they now rank and file
- come wit throwing stars and additional handweapons as a basic but are slightly more expensive
- may buy a Tunneling machine which allows them to tunnel like... well like everything that tunnels in warhammer
- have a 6 inches scout movement before game starts
- All have a 6+ Dodge save


Storm Vermin:
- little cheaper
- same accompany rules as Clanrats

Giant Rats:
- Same same except:
- May now attack from two ranks
- may now buy a master moulder (Yes he's nolonger a hero)

Poison wind globers:
(NOTE: I don't remebre if they are still core but I think so)
- now 5+ unit size
- same weapons as before
- "life is worthless" rule which allows them to throw into any close combat like old times and EVEN into their own as long as the trowing modelitself isnot in contact wit te enemy

Rat Swarms:
- now cost only half an old rat ogre and are FINALY worth taking
- no more poison attacks

Special:

Plague monks:
- same stats
- NO poison attacks, that was a bogus rumor

Jezzails:
- old rules, BUT:
- lost skirmisher rule

Rat ogres:
- now frenzy
- you only need one moulder but may buy more
- may buy a master moulder
- may become elite rat ogres. They are then a little more expensive than the old ones but have WS4 I4 4A

Gutter runners:
- poison wepons are now REDICIOUSLY expensive, I have NO clue why they would do that
- now have throwing stars as a basic
- same cost
- may Outflank the enemy like asassins
- have 6+ dodge save (champion even 5+)
- may buy a tunneling device but its expensive
- champion may buy smoke bombs and/or blase of tears (Yes THE blade of tears) (see Items)

PLague Censer Bearers:
- same rules
- special now
- 2A base PLUS frenzy
- still have hatred

Rare:

Rat Abomination (or whatever it is called in english):
M3D6 WS3 BS0 S6 T5 W6 I4 AS LD8
- stubborn, terror, large target, regeneration
- move 3D6 like a chaos spawn BUTT if you role three similar numbers the rat spawn either goes braindead, runs havoc or mutates
- makes special attacks like a giant: 1-2 S6 hit for every model in base to base with no AS and D3 wounds, 3-4 it does 3D6 attacks with normal WS and every unit suffering a casualty hits the abomination on

-1 this turn, 5-6 Every model in BtB must make a I check or suffer a S6 hit with no AS AND the abomination deals 2D6 hits to a unit of choice like a jumping giant
- "to weird to die" rule: When its wounds drop to 0 roll a D6 at end of turn, 1-3 the abomination is realy dead, 4-5 it bursts into D3 rat swarms you may controll, 6 it revives with D6 wounds
- you may buy magic resistance (1) and magic attacks for a few points
- slightly more expensive than a giant

Warplightning gun:
- same stats
- now shoots like a cannon except the S is still random like before and at the final point youplace a small template which has the same strength as te shot

Plague Thrower:
- a little over 100 points I think
- crew has D6 attacks and does NOT frenzy
- shoots like a mortar except with S2, no AS allowed and a funnier miscast chart

Doomwheel:
- moves like a chaos spawn
- does D6+1 impact hits S5 (but is NOT a chariot)
- get only D3 S4 hits when moving trough rough terrain (but D6 S10 when colliding with impossible terrain)
- when it doesn't charge it does D3 impact hits
- crew 6 S2 attacks
- unless you do a succesfull LD check it MUST fire warplightnings at te nearest unit within 18 at random strength like warp lightning gun and D6 wounds
- very funny missfire but I'm to lazy to write that now, lets just say it can lose movement and whenever the wheel moves 0 inche sit just tilts over and is a casualty


All the weird stuff I didn't mention till now:

Weapon teams:
- now ALL have heavy armor and a 4+ save when within 3 of their mother unit
- are ALL move or fire

Rattling Guns:
- same as befor but now need to hit like normal beeings ^.^
- no mali for multiple shots, others DO aply

Warpflamer:
- same, but remembre the template rule I mentioned before *evilgrin*

Thingshredder:
- REALY weird vehicle, does artelery dice hits S4 at I4 in CC and on missfire may turn havoc

Plague Mortar:
- shoots like a stone trower but may use the LOS of his mother unit, his template wounds on 4+ (5+ if you are clan pestilance or partially covered) with no AS

Master Moulder:
- M6 WS5 BS3 S4 T4 W2 I4 A2 LD6
- may carry one of the following:
whip: may make one attack from back rank
electric whip: may make D3 attacks fromback rank
Thinghunter: killing blow
strange moulder weapon: uses two hands, ignores armor saves

Screaming Bell:
- now gives itself AND the prophet on top 4+ ward save
- rings on S5 hits already but only with 1D6
- no mor 2 power dice through te bell
- only clanrats and storm vermin may push it
- old pushing rule
- unit that pushes it is Unbreakable
- you may ring the bell with 1D6 in the first round and 1-3 D6 in later rounds
- slightly more destructive misscasts but bell rings on a tripple number (before it blows up)
EFECTS (I'm not 100% shure about the range of te numbers but the effects are accurat):
1: Nothing, the hit was too weak
2-4: pusing unit MUST move D6 straight forward (may attack this way)
5-8: all skaven within 12 may reroll all failed moral checks for 1 round
9-10: casts the spell "scorch" on Power level 5
11-12: D3 wounds to all T7+ units and structure witin 12 crumbles on 5+
THE BIG 13: all enemy units within 12 recive D3 S4 hitswith no AS and in the pushing unit EVERY model counts as in BtB wit EVERY enemy model they are in CC with and may attack this turn XD
14-15: All Skaven Units in 12 gain +1 A
16: all Skaven units within 12 may reroll failed to hit and to wound rolls in close combat
17: ALL Skaven units within 18 gain +1A and may reroll all failed to hit and wound rolls in close combat, all Skaven units within 12 MUST move D6 straight forward like in 2-4 and structure witin 18 crumbles on 4+
18: RAGING APOCALYPSE: The Bell blows up so specteculare, that EVERY MODEL witin 4D6 inches recives a S4 hit with no AS

The weird Plague tingy:
- pushed an as big as a screaming bell
- has a Breath weapon tat wounds on 4+ wit no AS
- additionally to the riding priest it has 6A and frenzy S3 from the crew (so 7A)
- Leaks fumes that work just like a plague scenser but STACKS with the one the priest may carry, so 2 T checks (Hi Elves :P)
- makes the pushing unit stubborn
- in CC it can eiter leak furter fumes that are randomly devided betwen the units or cause artelery dice S5 hits (which are also devided like shooting)

Magic is like rumored so I'll just quote it

Quote
Magic:

Lore of Ruin
#1: Skitterleap, 5+
#2: Warp Lighting
- only D6 hits, though if you take the Warp-power Accumulator it adds +2 hits (a 1 is still one hit on the caster)
- apparently still the default spell most of the time
#3: Howling Warpstorm, 7+
- stops flying
- enemies get -1 BS
#4: Death Frenzy
- Frenzy with +2 attacks rather than +1 (replaces normal frenzy if the unit is already frenzied)
#5: Scorch, 11+
- place 3" template within 24", models hit (even if only partially covered) suffer a Strength 5 flaming hit
#6: Crack's Call
- draw a line 4D6" from the caster, all models hit must pass an Initiative test or be removed. Chariots and war machines are removed on a 5+

Lore of Plague
#1: Pestilent Breath, 5+ to cast
- only Strength 2, otherwise as before
#2: Poisoned Gift
- friendly unit within ?" gains Poisoned attacks for the rest of the game. If it already had poisoned attacks, they now poison on a 5+
#3: Wither, 8+
- an enemy unit within 12" suffers -1 Toughness for the rest of the game (unknown if multiple castings are cumulative)
#4: Vermintide, 8+
- appears to be the same as before
#5: Foul Cloud
- may affect all units within 12" (enemy units are affected on 2+, Clan Pestilence on a 5+ and other Skaven on a 4+)
- affected units take D6 S5 hits with no armour save
#6: Plague, 12+
- as before

Grey Seers only
#13: Curse of the Horned Rat, 25+ to cast
- can only target US1 infantry
- causes 4D6 Wounds to the enemy unit with no saves allowed. If the unit is wiped out, it is replaced by an equal number of skaven (clanrats?). If it does not cause enough Wounds to wipe out the unit, no skaven are produced (it is assumed that they are slain as they mutate)
Only thing I got to add is that yes Wither stacks. YOu can cast it multipletime on the same unit. And yes you can pull a units T down to 0 with it.

Plaque is a little different as it only backfires on a 1. "contamination radius" isincresed to 12 inches

No skitterleap into Close combat. You must stay at least 1 inch away.

And all Grey Prophets may exchange one of their spells for the big spell. It's actually called "The horrible 13th spell" I think and it doesn't deal 4D6 wounds it removes 4D6 models from play. And if all are slain you get as many Clanrats as you have slain models.

Magic Items:

BasicStuff:
The weapons are surprisingly overpriced, rest as usual

Weapons:

Grimmblade:
- Same as before but forces enemy to reroll Ward saves

Somethingtoot:
- Ignores Armor saves (but too expensive)

warpstone Weapon:
- +1 A +1 S

Blade of Nurglitch:
- +1 S and does 2 wounds per hit but on a double 1 the bearer loses two wounds himself

Weeping blade (I called it baled of tears a few tiomes in te text but you know what I mean):
armor piercing and does D3 wounds (but isnow cheaper)

Dwarfhater:
- +1 S and ignores AS of dwarfs

Blade of the Plague:
- wounds reduce T by 1 but VERY cheap

Armor:

Warstone armor:
- same but only for warlock techs

Armor of rust:
- same effect, new name, cheaper

Distracting shield:
- enemies in Btb lose 1A

Charms:

Talisman of the rat:
- 5+ Ward save, just a new name

Pot of smoke:
- -1 to hit with ranged attacks against the unit

War Trophy:
- very cheap
- one use, may force oneenemy model to reroll all successfull hits against the bearer this turn


Arcane artifacts:

Warpstorm scroll:
- same as before

Warpstone accumulator:
- generates a power die on 5+ and adds +2 to warplightning hits

Prophetic globe:
- very cheap, ignores first wound but bearer becomes stupid after that (as he desperately shakes the globe hoping for more miracles or guidance)

Warpstones:
-same as befor but more expensive

Enchanted Items:

Skaven Brew:
- may be given to a unit as the old one but:
1 goes wrong
2-3 franzy
4-5 hatret
6 death frenzy

Skalm:
- recovers alllost hitpoints for self or ally (is a little cheaper now)

Howling pipe:
- whoever wants to charge te bearers unit must pass an LD check or may not charge

Something wretched:
- all units in BtB with the bearer gain -1 LD

Clan Eshin only Items:

Warpstone throwing stars:
- same same

Hellbombs:
-Now THATS cool. The bearer may plant it after moving as long as he'snot in CC or sooting (even after marching). Its a small template. Te bearer may blow it up anytime except the turn he planted it and as long as e's in te explosion radius. Whhen triggered it blows up on a 2+ (on a 1 it was a fake). all models NOt under the centerrecive a S3 hit, te model under the center recives S6 D3 wounds

Smoke Bombs:
- enemy chases 1D6 less (VERY CHEAP)

Clan Scryre only:

Bronze Globe:
- same same


Devestator Rocket:
- One use only, you may roll betwen 4and 10 D6 and chose a direction. That number in inches is the point the rocket hits. it has a5 inches template. ALl models hit suffer a S5 hit (S10 D6 damage under the center)

Deathwind Globe:
- same same

Warlocks okular:
- warlock gains +1 BS and ignores interverning terrain and units for shooting

Clan Moulder only:

(see master moulder)

Plague Clan only:

Warpscroll:
- Now does only S2 hits to every model at power level 3 but ignores AS. No more auto panic.

Banner of unoly frenzy:
- one use, the unit may reroll to it an dto wound rolls this turn

General Banners:

Banner of the horned Rat:
- Enemies within 12 gain -1 LD and enemies in Btb must reroll succesfull morale checks

Storm Banner:
- last for only one round and skaven range attacks are unaffected
- storm vermin and Plague monks may carry it now

Banner of the Horde:
- +1 combat resolution
- +w3 combat resolution instead when you have more ranks than te enemy


Banner of the Rot:
- Deals a S3 hit with no AS to every model in BtB at the beginning of every close combat phase

Banner of crawling rats:
- Units in Btb suffer D6 S2 hits during close combat phase and if the unit is broken in close combat all chasing units suffer an additional D6+2 S2 hits

Banner of the Underground war:
- The unit hates Dwarfs and Dwarfs hate them

Banner of the shadow move:
- One use, The unit may tripple its movement when marching but suffers 2D6 S3 hits

And then there was the Extra stuff:

Some characters or Champions may buy one of those options:

Warpstone Rifle: Like musket but S5, Magic and instable

Warpstone pistol: Like Pistol only Magic and unstable but warlocks have in automaticly now i think

Tail weapon: THe character gains 1 additional S3 attack wit no weapon special rules applied

Poisoned weapon: Character has poison attacks

Guarding rat: A small rat guards the Character. Its grants one additional S3 WS3 I4 attack but on a 1 it bites its owner

Special Characters:

Tanquol:
- most obvious one of all pretty much the same as before
- now only has D6#3 warpstones and heals onlyon 5+
- may NOT ride a screaming bell any more
- bone breaker now can't shut down on a 1 and has a normal warp falmer with 1 shotnot a breat weapon

Skrotz the mutant:
- his waeponnow has only killing blow against normal targets BUT does D3 wounds against anything with US 3+
- when feeing or marching he may eat a random dude from his unit (even a rat ogre if your unlucky ^^) or he loses regeneration and 1 wound
- still has whip frenzy

Squik the headhunter:
- carries a warstone armor and a blade tet wounds dwarfs on 2+ and rerolls failed hits and wounds
- in a challenge he gets so agitated that he get +1 to hit and to wound but may not refuse challenges
- improves storm vermins

Ikkit claw hand:
- has S6
- may exchange his spells for warp lightning instead of skitterleap
- his storm daemon shoots warplightnings that do artelery dice hits and if you role a misscast at least something funny happens XD
- has a 3+ armor save and a 5+ ward save I think

Lord Skrolk:
- most expensive of the lord chars
- is a level 3 wizard
- pretty tough
- carries some advanced plague censer
- may use his wand on a unit within 18 with power level 6: Roll a D6 5-6 every model in the unit recives S2 hit with no AS, on a 2-4 every model in the unit recives S1 hit with no AS, 1 the unit babbles confusing stuff but this has no effect on the game

Snikch the master asassin:
- is a hero
- has all asassin ruels (dodge, ASF, Outflank, hide)
- I 10 WS 8
- Cloak of night: every enemy must roll a 4+ to attack him, charge himor shoot at him BUT he doesn't block march movement and yu may move through him
- Whirl of tears: With his blades of tears (usual rueles) he has 6A

Some fuzzy guy protected by a lot of rats:
- don't remebre much about him, he has D6+2 additinal attacks S2 and some weird moulder rule
- just remembered he can mutate rat Ogres so they randomly can gain extra arms, regeneration or have something else happening to them.

somethingsomething the dirty:
- is a hero
- his unit fights so dirty they may reroll failed to hits and wounds while in the flank or the back of an enemy
- he has a 4+ ward save and may reroll one roll per game
- he may bail anytime. Roll 3D6. You may place him in any clanrats or stormvermin unit within that distance. If there is non he just runs away and is a casualty


THat's it from me. The spelling mistakes can kiss my ass . Hope you all enjoyed it
Last edited by Dark_Harlequin; 09-10-2009 at 18:20..

[Morhgoz]

Lets look at some of the special chars, shall we ?

Ikit Claw :
M5 WS5 BS3 S5 T4 W3 I3 A2 LD7
Level 3 caster, chooses from Lore of Ruin, may switch 1 Spell for Warplightning
Exoskelleton : magic armour, 3+ AS, 5+ Ward Save. It states that it enhances his strengh (without it it would be S2). It comes with a Warpfirethrower which has one use only, but can reroll the artillery dice.
Stormdemon : Helbard which allows no AS. Can cast Black Warplightning as a bound spell (Powerlevel 5).
The black Warplightning does Artillery dice hits. If a misfire happens roll 1D6 :
1-2 : Ikit and all models in base to base contact take a S5 hit
3-5 : Ikit can cast no more spells during this magic phase
6 : Overload, Ikit generates D3 Power dice

Queek Headtaker
Same profile as normal warlord except for WS 7 and 6 attacks.
Can upgrade a unit of Stormvermin to his personal guard, giving them +1 WS and +1 S (+4 ppm)
Cannot join units with casters and the other way around.
Gets +1 to hit and to wound in a Challenge, must always accept them.
Dwarf Gauger and Handweapon :additional Attacks already in profile, all attacks allow no AS and Dwarfs are wounded on 2+
Warpstonearmour : 3+ AS, if a save is passed, the attacker gets a S5 hit (the normal Warpstonearmour in the magic item section is the same for 30 Points, but just S4 hits).

Skrolk
M5 WS6 BS4 S4 T5 W3 I6 A4 LD7
Level 3 caster, chooses from Lore of Plaque, may switch 1 Spell for Pestilence breath (translation ?)
Has Frenzy and may change Plaque Monks to core, but not sure about that...
All models in btb contact get -1 to hit, Clan Pestilence Units are immune to this effect tho.
Staff of coruption : Flail, after to hit rolls, a model which is hit one or more times must pass a single T test or is slain immediatly (no saves of any kind allowed !!). If it survives, go on with the normal to wound rolls and so on.
Liber Bubonicus : Bound Spell (Powerlevel 6). Chose a Unit in 24", then throw 1D6 :
1 : nothing happens
2-4 : every model in the unit gets a S1 hit, no AS allowed
5-6 : every model in the unit gets a S2 hit, no AS allowed

Deathmaster Snikch :
M6 WS8 BS6 S4 T4 W2 I10 A6 LD8
He may start the game hidden in a unit, be deployed like a scout or enter the battlefield like Dwarfen Miners from an Tableedge. He also has a 4+ Ward save, and nobody may use his LD and he always strikes first. These exact rules are the same for every Assasin, so now we come to were Snikch is special :
He has 3 weeping blades (bonus attacks already included in profile), which have Armour piercing and do D3 wounds.
If any unit wants to target him for magic, shooting or charges, they have to roll a 4+ to do so. If they dont pass, they may declare another target and ignore Snikch in all ways.

Plague Furnace
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/ ... urnace.jpg
Screeming Bell
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/ ... g-bell.jpg

[HE-man]

Kovasti tuntuu olevan noita "no armour saves"-juttuja...
Queek on kanssa aika hirvittävän tehokkaan oloinen. Varsinkin kääpivöitä vastaan. Jos sillä ois vielä wardi...

Aika pelottavilta onnistuivat kuulostamaan omaan korvaani, mutta odotan innolla ihmisten ensimmäisiä testipelejä noilla. Laittakaahan niitä tänne sotuun.

[jupu_pupu_mies]

aika pirun hienoja noi uudet figut :O. eli siis toi jeejee paljon rottia taika on siis tulossa :(...

[Scumboogie]

...eli siis toi jeejee paljon rottia taika on siis tulossa :(...

Noo... se muuttaa ne vihut rotitksi vain jos se 4D6 woundia tappaa kaikki modelit, muuten ei tule rottia :)
Muuten aika jännä taika, itse en pelkää sitä noin suuren casting valuen takia. Rat ogreista on tulossa myös aika koviksia, mitähän niille keksisi >:). Aika uskottava teksti oli, ainoa mitä en usko on toi rotta greaterdemoni. Se on vaan niin epälooginen... Tosin on GW tehnyt muutakin ihmeellisyyksiä, tässä edikassa esim siitä tulee v*tun kova mutta ensi edikassa se poistetaan...

Positiivista on toi salaman ja rättärien huonontaminen (siis ei-rottapelaajan korvaan), sillä ne tekivät ennen aivan liikaa tuhoa. Jatkoa odotellessa... Niin ja ei se anti-kääpiö special charru ole niin pelottava, käävät panikoivat sen yksikön heti >:D

[jupu_pupu_mies]

siihen blokkiin tungetaankin kello niin se on unbreakable... harmi vaan että ne kummatkin saa vasta 3k pelissä :(

[HE-man]

siihen blokkiin tungetaankin kello niin se on unbreakable... harmi vaan että ne kummatkin saa vasta 3k pelissä :(

Mun ymmärrykseni mukaan kellon saa vain Grey Seereille ja mitäs Queekista sanotaankaan: "Cannot join units with casters and the other way around."

[Morhgoz]

Ja Rottagreater Demonikinhan on todella wanha juttu, ei mikään uusi idea, Verminlordillehan edelleen myynnissä oleva figu GW:n sivuilla... Toivottavasti Skitterleapin sanamuoto muuttuu vähäsen, niin että verminlordikin pääsee teleportailemaan itseään... Vihulaisen selustassa istuukin yhtä-äkkiä iso terror mörkö... >:D

[Lord of Carcassonne]

Hirvittävältä noi monet uudistukset kuulostaa. saan kyllä bretti pelaajana pelätä kunnolla noit rottia oikein kunnolla. nyt bretit saa viel kunnolla nenään rotilta.

[Isompi Arska]

Kovasti tuntuu olevan noita "no armour saves"-juttuja...
Aika pelottavilta onnistuivat kuulostamaan omaan korvaani, mutta odotan innolla ihmisten ensimmäisiä testipelejä noilla. Laittakaahan niitä tänne sotuun.

Pisteistä nähdään kohtapuolkiin ovat nuo OP, mutta kyllä tältä näkemältä nuo esineet näyttävät turhan tehokkailta tuon iskun voiman seivittömyyden suhteen. En usko että GW niille ihan tarpeeksi pistehintaa tulee laittamaan.

Eikä rottademonissa ole mitään ihmeempää, hemmetni hyvä että tuli mutta vasta tässä edikassa :(. Olisin halunnu sen omaan rottaposseeni.
Uus furnace näyttää aika jännältä, tosin aika omituinen. Mutta kello on monta kertaa huonompi kuin tuo edellinen, joka on yksikertaisen hieno. Multa löytyis semmonen vielä myytävänä

[Morhgoz]

Varmistuksia ja arvosteluja

After seeing the book at my local gw i can report/confirm a couple of things

the doomwheel is strength 6 toughness 6 .with 4 or 5 wounds i believe. It causes terror, and is imune to pysc, i dont recall it if it stubborn or not. As far as i can tell its lightning auto hits the closest target, you roll 1 art dice per turn and thats the str of the 3 bolts, work out the first bolt at the nearest target then the second (it will always shoot the closest target therefore if bolt one kills its target you go to the next closest) I see the doomwheel as the new answer to killing bloodthristers/dragons as they can even hit things in combat with thier lightning.
- THe bell/furance make thier units unbreakable.

After actually seeing the book i was very impressed with it, alot of the good things about the book are really not showcased on the internet. I say overal the book is at least on par with de/LM in terms of Making competitive builds, and its fulyl capabale of making fun balanced armies without much effort. I give the book a 8.5/9 out of 10

Oh, another thing to mention...the art for the hellpit abomination, it has wheels on it..as if it's part screaming bell or has a wagon mutated into it's body...I want to make it closer to scale, sohaven't decided how to make it (10 -12 inches tall) - Prob on a double wide chariot base or something.

But instead, i'm gonna wait to hear about what those new fantasy forgeworld folks are doing....

I'm stillhoping for a resin verminlord and the hellpit abomination.....

I had a look at a preview copy of the new book today, I'm pretty sure it was unbreakable for the plague furnace's unit.

I think I like the new book, but there's several things I really dislike a lot. Assassins still being locked into character slots sucks, not to mention the price hike them. They did get a little better than the old version, but I thought the old ones were already too expensive. I wish they'd gone back to the previous edition when assassins could be taken as unit upgrades, like what they farmed out to the dark elves. Skaven assassins were never as powerful as their DE counterparts, yet the DE ones are cheaper and better. Quite a disappointment.

I'm not a fan of the magic item selection either. Basically all the ward saves are gone, only the Foul Pendant remains. No more regen crown, no more warpstone amulet. The warpstone charm is gone, so Skaven don't have any way to try to avoid a miscast. If I'm not mistaken, aside from scrolls all the bound items are gone as well. Band of power aren't anywhere, and only Ikit has a storm-daemon. None of the magic items really seemed that good either... at least nothing really stood out when I was looking it over.

I don't really like the change to the ratling gun. I very much like that it rolls to hit, but the rest of the change are rather disappointing. The actual double doesn't matter for its misfire table, only if you did roll a double, then roll on the chart. It used to punish you for being too greedy, but if your number of hits roll was poor (1s and 2s) you weren't further punished with a bad misfire. Now, double 1s can be just as bad as double 6s... worse actually since some misfire results let all those shots go off. I think it ought to have been cheaper given the changes.

On the bright side, its nice that Skaven have more variety for their spells. I never liked that your two choices were warplightning or an expensive lord.

The return of half points is also welcome. Given GW's trend for continuously making everything cheaper so people need to buy more models, returning to half points helps low point value models scale better.

All in all, from what I saw the book doesn't appear to be that over-the-top, but I think there will be some over the top builds. An all plague monk army with lots of plague priests looks like it could be pretty rough, especially if several of them get the Wither spell. That big hellpit beast looks pretty nasty too, it will cause a bad day for anyone who's unlucky enough to be in combat with it.

We'll see once people start playing some games with the new book. I'm just happy they didn't go daemon/vc over the top with the army.

[Isompi Arska]

...the art for the hellpit abomination, it has wheels on it..as if it's part screaming bell or has a wagon mutated into it's body...
-- mitä HELVETTIÄ? En kyllä pitänyt kellon tai furnacen napeista, mikä hirvitys tuosta on tulossa...

[Róbó-Tónó]

As far as i can tell its lightning auto hits the closest target, you roll 1 art dice per turn and thats the str of the 3 bolts, work out the first bolt at the nearest target then the second (it will always shoot the closest target therefore if bolt one kills its target you go to the next closest) I see the doomwheel as the new answer to killing bloodthristers/dragons as they can even hit things in combat with thier lightning.

Ja joku voisi vielä kertoa mitä ne S3 boltit tekee thirsuille tai dragoneille ellei ne omaa "no armour save" sääntöä...

[Myyra]

As far as i can tell its lightning auto hits the closest target, you roll 1 art dice per turn and thats the str of the 3 bolts, work out the first bolt at the nearest target then the second (it will always shoot the closest target therefore if bolt one kills its target you go to the next closest) I see the doomwheel as the new answer to killing bloodthristers/dragons as they can even hit things in combat with thier lightning.

Ja joku voisi vielä kertoa mitä ne S3 boltit tekee thirsuille tai dragoneille ellei ne omaa "no armour save" sääntöä...

Luepa uudestaan.

[Morhgoz]

Ehi guys i can give you something new:

-it's confirmed....only 3 talismans in the book....and only Ward Save 5+ for points like 6 old clanrats

-giant rats are CHEAP.....and i mean CHEAP! .....minimum 5 giant rats + 1 packmaster.......18 giant rats and 3 packmasters are like 15/16 old clan rats O_o ..........

-monks with additional hand weapon are cheaper than before

-plague censers are cheaper than before

-PWG aren't naked as before...they got AS ^_^

-rat swarms aren't expendable and skirmish no more

-night runners are 10+

-ratling is cheaper and doom-flayer has the same cost, warpfire thrower is cheaper, PW mortar is slightly cheaper than old warpfire thrower,

-new plague priest is like 20 old clan rats

-warlord and chieftan include heavy armor

-grey seer at Ld7

-lvl 2 warlock is slightly more costly than old warlock with all equipments

-plague furnace gives Magic Res 2

Screaming Bell & Plague Furnace lähikuvia:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachmen ... 1255421086
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachmen ... 1255421106
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachmen ... 1255421154

Tuo muovinen grey seer on kyllä hurja parannus vanhoihin verrattuna... Ja tuo rat ogre menaa kyllä konversioon alta aika yksikön, pitää nääs tilata kaksi pakettia että saisi molemmat vekottimet armeijaan...

[Morhgoz]

"Looted wargear (not sure about the name) thats a short list of equip including several weapons and funny objects. You may have as many of them as you whish, still only once the same per character."

[Lassek]

Kivoja nuo isot härpättimet. Tuli idea muokkailla hieman Termahti-teemainen rotta-armeija.

[Morhgoz]

quick thing....the RatOgre Bone-Breaker mount (cost as 13 old clanrats) is really a bone-breaker ratogre O_o

4 wounds
S5
T5 (so it's hard to wound)
A5
WS 4

so it adds 5 attacks at S5........a warlord with Warlock-Augmented Weapon (+1S, +1A) can reach a total of 10 attacks at S5!!!!!!!


also the war litter is good....adds 4A at S4 and it's a no-wounds mount for just 7 old clan rats......while the great pox rat for just an old giant rats pack adds 2A at S4 ant its a W1 mount

All three are available for warlords.

Plague Priests can have the giant rat or the furnace.

Grey seer can have the bell.

Chieftains can have nothing.

Engineers can have nothing

Eli warlord ratsastaa rat ogrella, jättirotalla ja tuolissa... Liikaa valinnan varaa, aarrgh!