Niin mutta hänhän on selleinenihminen, joka on vienyt fluffikkuutensa niin pitkälle, että harrastuksen parissa aina eläytyy örkiksi, jolloin itse fluffin lukeminen olisi kovin epä fluffimasta.Orkodus kirjoitti:Jaa en tiedä mutta ei se välttämättä tarkoita ettei niistä ole kirjoitettu mitään.Nightwun kirjoitti:Örkit eivät fluffikkaasti varmasti kirjoita historiaansa, joten on fluffikasta jos en lue fluffia...
Et kai vain tarkoita minua?HerraMauno kirjoitti:Niin mutta hänhän on selleinenihminen, joka on vienyt fluffikkuutensa niin pitkälle, että harrastuksen parissa aina eläytyy örkiksi, jolloin itse fluffin lukeminen olisi kovin epä fluffimasta.Orkodus kirjoitti:Jaa en tiedä mutta ei se välttämättä tarkoita ettei niistä ole kirjoitettu mitään.Nightwun kirjoitti:Örkit eivät fluffikkaasti varmasti kirjoita historiaansa, joten on fluffikasta jos en lue fluffia...
Näinhän se meni?
en mä sua tarkottanu.Orkodus kirjoitti:Et kai vain tarkoita minua?HerraMauno kirjoitti:Niin mutta hänhän on selleinenihminen, joka on vienyt fluffikkuutensa niin pitkälle, että harrastuksen parissa aina eläytyy örkiksi, jolloin itse fluffin lukeminen olisi kovin epä fluffimasta.Orkodus kirjoitti:Jaa en tiedä mutta ei se välttämättä tarkoita ettei niistä ole kirjoitettu mitään.Nightwun kirjoitti:Örkit eivät fluffikkaasti varmasti kirjoita historiaansa, joten on fluffikasta jos en lue fluffia...
Näinhän se meni?
Muuten gwllä on sivulla esittelyä tuetteista ja pari sneakpeakkiä jos on tarkka.
Edellisellä sivullahan (S. 2.) oli huhuja niistä säännöistä.ipe123 kirjoitti:mistä repäsit sen special ruletHalf-breed kirjoitti:Pelin isoin monsteri, joka on hämähäkki ja se aiheuttaa vain fearia? Tö shit?
Kyllä minusta tuossa Advance orderissa olevassa kirjan sisältöä esittelevässä kuvassa näyttäisi pojilla edelleen olevan S3.Orkodus kirjoitti:Edit: Nyt tullu ilmi että perusboyzilla on str4! Ja sama hinta.
Kirja ja hämäkäkki on ihan säädyllisen hintaisia, ja jalkaväkikin on halvempaa kuin Greatswordit, mutta kuitenkin 2,275€ / nappi. Itse asiassa, kun laskee että neliömetriin menee 40 * 40 raakalaisörkkiä, niin eihän niille nappuloille tule hintaa pinta-alaa kohti normaalia Helsinkiläistä kerrostalokolmion neliötä enempää (3600€).Navdi kirjoitti:Eihän tossa oo mitään järin kallista koko setissä, mitä ne höpisee liian kalliista hinnasta? Alle 30€ tuon kokoisesta neliväripainatetusta kovakantisesta kirjasta on edullista.
Etenkään jos trollit halpenee samassa rysäyksessä, erikoispeikot jopa 25%. Mutta kyllähän vanhalle kunnon jätille aina paikka örkkikenraalin sotasuunnitelmasta löytyy. ;)smaxx kirjoitti:Vähän ihmetyttää jättiläinen, pisteitä siis 5 pois, ja 20 pinnan optiolla saa peräti kutosen wardin. Ei auta jättiä yhtään, ja ei kyllä houkuttele jättämään vastaavalla pistemäärällä jokitrolleja pois listasta.
Mut mieti kuin hurjaa olis, jos ne sais sen hurjan chargen, josta saa +2 combat resoon :DMithrandir kirjoitti:No jos kaikki aseet choppia ovat niin siitähän se pistehinnan nousu tuleepi.
Cavalryn kohdalla valitettavasti edelleen on niin että jos sillä 500 pisteellä otat sen kaksikymmentä nappia ynnä sankarin, niin mitenhän paljon saisitkaan tuolla pistemäärällä sitä jalkaväkeä sankarin kera... Mutta onpahan ainakin parempi vaihtoehto mitä seiskaedikan kirjalla.
I saw the book at the local store today and can confirm a number of items:
- Animosity works like it used to, if you roll a 1 for the unit, roll again. On a 1, they do some damage to nearby units, on a 6 they move forward (not march)
- All orc weapons are "choppas" aka they all grant +1 str in the first round. So yes, a choppa spear is also +1 strength and a great weapon is +3 strength in the first round.
- Common goblins get half point upgrades and the skulky stalkers are only 10 points each
- Big un upgrade is only 2 points now
- Savage orcs get a big spear thing ( i forget the name) that gives the unit d3 impact hits which do d3 wounds on large targets
- Spider riders do not have to dismount to assault a building, although they still cannot occupy it.
- Goblin Wolf chariots can be bought in units of up to 3 models and are slightly cheaper than currently.
- Black orcs are pretty much the same but now have immune to psychology
- Boar Boyz, of both types, are cheaper.
- Regular trolls are now special choices while stone/river trolls are still in rare ( and they are cheaper than they used to be as well)
- Pump Wagons can now be upgraded to increase their strength and movement as well as other things
- Rock Lobbers are now rare choices
- Doom divers can now correct their scatter by d6 inches instead of d3.
- There is a new rare unit called the mangler squig which is basically like a fanatic but does 2d6 STR 6 hits on enemy units. However, once it hits an enemy unit it goes crazy and moves in a random direction.
- The new giant spider monster has 8 wounds and the crew cannot be killed. 4+ Armor save, stubborn ( 99% sure on that), poison attacks, and one of its attacks is poisoned and does d6 wounds. It can be upgraded to have a STR1 (3) stone thrower that gives any enemy unit it touches the always strike last special rule. Or if a goblin great shaman is mounted on it, it can have some sort of upgrade that gives all friendly casters +2 on their channel attempts and gives the goblin the loremaster ability.
- The Waaaagh Spell is gone.
- The foot of gork/warpath spell now is a template that scatters d6 inches.... (dear god, thats a lot of damage!)
- There is an orc spell that lets you pick up a unit and move them 3d6 inches or 5d6 inches. AKA the hand of gork comes and grabs them and moves them where you want in any facing.
- There is only about 8 magic items to chose from, and none of them were really that impressive.
- Animosity rules seems to be very close to those of the 6th edition.
- A giant squig in rare choice appear. It's not a mount but it seems to act like a fanatic...
- We now have the possibility to field units up to 3 wolves chariots, (like tomb kings).
- New options for the snot chariot.
- The snots become a special choice with upgrades (?) possible.
- Spiders riders have a new special rule : They can enter any buildings with their mounts.
- Catapults are a rare choice and the doom-diver seems to be more efficient.
- Only 8 magical objects left (for example, there's a great banner which prevent your ennemy's magical objects to function.
- Wolf riders cost less, their equipment stay the same.
Sawage possut saattavat olla corea. Tai sitten GW:n webbitiimi sekoilee...About the giant squig M 3D6 cost 65 points. He can't contact an ennemy or friendly unit, he goes through ! He does 2D6 hits S6, T4, W3. May become battle mad (?)
Snotlings pump wagon 35 points and 3upgrades possible :
+1D6 of movement allowance (+15 points).
+1S at impact (cost ?).
no save at impact (cost ?).
Orcs cost 6 points (+1), 2nd choppa 1 point (-1), Big uns' 2 points (-2) !
Slittas : Upgrade for common gobz 10 points. WS 2, S 2, T 3, A 2. ASF, piercing attacks (euh... armor save minus 1, you see ?) during their first turn they have the rule deathblow (?)
Black orcs : they stay the same but are immune to psychology.
Squig herds : Gobz and squigs are paid for separatly. Squigs 8 points, gobz 3 points. If they flee, the unit explode making 1D6 S5 hit in a 2D6 radius + 1 hit per 5 squigs still alive.
Squig riders 12 points, (-3). If they make triple 6 for their movement, they gain the rule Impact (1).
Boar riders 16 points. Savage boar riders 18 points. They may have a second HW for 2 points but add, in this case +1 on their dice for dangerous terrain.
Night gobbos stay the same. Netters 45 points (+10) >_< have their spear for free but can keep their HW + shield instead. (So be quiet WGG)^.^
Common gobz 3 points.
Spider riders 13 points.
Wolf riders 10 points !
Choppa : S+1 during the first round of CC whatever the weapon. It seems to work even with magical weapons.
Wyvern stay the same for only 160 points,(-40pts) !
Addendum :
The magical banner cost 100 points and give MR 1D6, all the units in contact loose their magical objects.
Spider banner the unit make poisoned attacks on 5 + (85 points).
Night banner night gobbos in the unit are tenacious, are in light cover, each ennemy in contact must make a terrain test. (50 points).
A magical weapon + 1D6 in S and A but -1D6 in Ws. For example, if you obtained 6 on your die, you gain + 6 in S, + 6 in A, but - 3 in WS. (100 points)....
Itse ajattelin tunkea armeijaan forest gobbo infartyä ja käyttää night gobbojen säännöillä verkoilla, mutta en fanatikoilla, ellen keksi hyvää konversio/fluffi -ideaa...ile kirjoitti: Hämähäkin selässä näyttää olevan kymmenkunta uutta metsähiisiskulptia. Saadaan varmasti nähdä, että näitä aletaan bitsikirppareilla myydä niille tyypeille, jotka haluavat rakentaa metsägobboyksiköitä (fluffaajille, kun ei ilmeisesti ole erillisiä sääntöjä näille, hämähäkkejä lukuun ottamatta). Mä haluaisin noita figuja (keihäsgobot sai BfSP-boksista). Ehkä mä haluun ton hämppiksenkin. Pikkufiguissa ei kulmikas muovi pistä silmään kuten isommissa. :)
I also got to see the book at my local store tonight. I have to say the more I think about it the more mixed feelings I have about it.
I read through most of the book, so Ill try to remember as much as I can that I haven't seen already stated.
Night goblins now get spears for free and nets are now 45pts.
BO are actually one point cheaper (so 12 instead of 13) and their full command is like 1 to 2 points cheaper.
Grimgor is 25pts cheaper and when taken, gives the unit of BO that he is with +1 weapon skill.
The lore attribute for the little WAAAG is that every time you successfully cast a spell you take one your opponents dispel dice and it becomes one of your power dice.
Gork'll Fix it now just makes the opponent re-roll 6's instead of them counting as ones.
There is a spell in the little WAAAG that gives a unit poison, and if they already have poison then they get it on 5's and 6's.
Another spell that can reduce their initiative and movement by D3.
You have to have a lord or hero that has the WAAAG ability and it only effects orcs.
The last thing that I remember at the moment is that there is a Bad Moon Banner that gives that basically makes a unit stubborn.
Black Orcs and animosity work the same way they currently do sadly.
Also, as I stated earlier, Animosity works like this: you roll for animosity, on the roll of a 1, you roll again on another chart. On the second roll if you roll a 1, then some damage is done to nearby units. On the roll of a 2-5 you squabble and can not do anything. On the roll of a 6 then the unit moves (not marches) towards the nearest enemy and must declare a charge if able to do so.
Orcs magic defense is way down, yes, but their offensive potential is huge. The foot of gork/warpath is the highest spell in the Big Waaagh and it does a templates worth of strength 6 hits and on the powered up version (warpath) it can potentially stomp again on the roll of a 4+.
The ultimate Little Waagh spell is a little more complicated. Basically, its a magical vortex (like purple sun) that when does random stat checks ( could be initiative, strength or toughness checks). The powered up version of the spell is the 5'' template and allows the caster to decide which stat check it is. A very good spell IMO. Against elves you can make them test on their strength or toughness. Against Saurus you can make them take initiative tests etc. Very, very powerful.
If you take an Orc warlord, you can call a waaagh if your warlord charged that turn. All nearby orc units get +1 combat res and the warlords unit gets +d3.
I believe size matters is the same as well.
Kaikista, hw, hwx2, spear, great weapon, magic weapon, kaikkiin +1 S assaultin ekalla kierroksella....Orkodus kirjoitti:Minua kyllä kiinnostaa se että saavatko tyypit 1+str jokaisesta aseesta (eli 2+ 2 aseesta) vai pelkästään 1+ ?
Yup I had a look at the BGB and it's a hard back and very much reminds me of 3rd ED armies book.
This is all from memory so much there will be mistakes.
Lets start with animosity.
It's the same as before you roll a d6 but only on a 1 do you have something happen.
To see what it does roll another d6
1 - you cause d6 str 3 hits on a unit within 12" if none are close enough then you take some hits on yourself.
2-5 You must declare a charge if possible, or move straight ahead.
6 reform and move towards nearest enemey unit.
- Musician are all the same cost as standards no longer are they half the points like before.
- Only one unit of Big'un allowed maximum, but 2pts to upgrade no instead of 4pts for the guys on foot. It's again cheaper for the ones mounted.
Waagh is pretty meh.. now with all you get is +1 CR for each unit of 5 or more orcs. So it could be good IF you have multipl units in combat. Also has to be used on the same turn the Orc Warnoss charges, looks as if a great shamen can't use it at all nor a goblin warboss.
All black orcs are immune to psychology and animosity!!!! and are 12pts base with the same rules as before, ie quell animosty for the heros and huge choppa selection, which is clearly explained. hhhmmmm which leads on to.
Choppas, +1 strength for any ORC with any weapon on the turn they charge so long as they have the CHOPPA rule.
Orc boar boyz are 16pts and savage orc boar riders are 18pts
Savage orcs are the same price BUT the additional hd wp is cheaper as is the bow.
Orc boys went up a point as did arrer boyz.
Goblin are the same but thier spears etc are 1/2 pt per upgrade. They get some niffty assasin like guys who have strike first and killing blow on the first turn they are revieled.
Night goblins are the same but nets cost 10pts more
Spiders riders and mounts can assault a building together!!?.
The savage orcs can carry a "UGE CHOPPA which gives them d3 impact hits, that also does d3 woulds to large targets. Str 5 I believe.
Goblin chariots are 1-3 and 50pts each, orc chariots went up 5pts. Troll are also special for 35pts while river and stone trolls are 10pts more and rares choices.
Bolt throwers are the same and you can have up to 6, also have a chnace of pop like a stone throwers.
Stone thowers and doom divers are both rare.
Giants got cheaper, by a whole 5pts, yeah I was really underwelhmed by that one.
Smoke me a kipper someone Giants are 5pts cheaper. LOL.
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OK what else oooohh
Spells are not as good I really did not like the fact that they have lost a lot of close combat boosters. The WAAAGGGHH has GONE. SAD FACE:(( .
Instead war path got a whole lot better it's a template, YUP it's going to F&^%$#@ people up good this spell and the boosteed version keeps going on a +4. OMG. It gets worse the boost for the spell lore is if there is MORE orc units fighting then fleeing it gets +1 stength. Str 7 template of certain death anyone.hohohoho.
Now you thought that was nasty huh, yeah you did , you did now hhmm, well it gets worse, worse for you none orc players the Goblin BIG spell is a doozy.
Think of cyclone Yasi, yup big template and our little goblin gets to place it down where he want and then gets it to move 4d6. everyone that gets hit by it has to take a random determine test on 1d6
iniative 1-2
strength 3-4
toughness 5-6
Thats going to hurt.
Also the goblins get a funny boost of when ever they cast a spell sucessfully on a 1-4 nothing happens on a 5-6 you win the game. Hang on got that wrong on a 5-6 they steal one of you dispel dice.
Seriously the magic is not as good, 6 becomes one's has been made as my friend bane perdicted months ago to reroll 6's. BUGGER, the orcs have lost thier bash'em lads and fist of gork.
The fact that Orcs have got more expensive and savage orcs a little less is ho hum. There is a lot of this is a piont more this is a point less, but overall I think things have gone up a tad.
Last and saddest of all, a trend we'll be seeing a lot of is the reduction, or decimation of magic items available to each race. O&G have a whole 8 race specific items and they are all pretty lousy IMO. The good news is all the other armies get to look forwrd to less and lousy items as each book comes out hehe. Also they are all very expensive at 50- 100 pts each.
Snotling pump wagons........ wait for it.....wait..............................they can fly...........sort of.........but they can.
Also can move from 3d6 to 4d6 and thier first impacts hits allow no saving throws. Hilarious. biggrin.gif
The winners are the boar boys at the much reduced points costs and special trolls. Savage orcs as well although at 9pts a pop with additional hd wp.
There is a big spider and its around 290 pts. I think a goblin lord can ride on and gets lore master for the little Waaghh.
Also get new savage orcs in plastic and very nice looking they are as is the extra large spider.
Thats all for now there is tons I missed or got wrong??. check it out for you're self at some stage, the shops will have them out to read I hope.
Big Waaaagh Lore Attribute:BGB ypu Big Green Book smile.gif.
Yup Bolt throwers can misfire much like the skaven things do kinda do, but in a goblin green sort 'a way.
I'd really have to sit down and go over all the things to get a good feel but gut says it's weaker, magically. The WAAGGHH was broken, now we just got a big nasty stomp.
Fighty stuff went marginally better but it's lost out with close combat magical support, except . Goblin base spell is a reroll to hit and I think to wound as well. So thats really good.
Black orc lords got immune to psych and 15 pts more expensive.
Nah I think it's just not as powerful but as I'm normally wrong about most things smile.gif it'll be all good.
What I really suspect they have done is made special characters amke up the short fall in magic items. Hence to encourage thier use. The common magic items in the BRB are good stilll so it's sad but far from the end of the world.
Now I just have to dust off those 3rd Ed boar boyz somewhere around here.....
Urgat Warseerissä teki pientä kuvankäsittelyä:+1 strength to the spell if there's more Orcs in close combat than fleeing.
