Warhammer 40.000 -pelin palsta, jossa on tarkoitus keskustella kaikista niistä aiheista, jotka eivät sovellu muihin otsikoihin. Kysymyksiinkin vastataan, mutta käytä kuitenkin ensin hakua.
daider kirjoitti:itse veikkaan T5.... nideillä kun tuppaa olemaan paha tapa tehdä tyypeistä kerralla kestävämpiä kun aletaan mutatoimaan. Tosin kuin esim Kaamoksella.
Ai? Millä perusteella.
T4->T5 upgradet ovat järjestänsä T4(5) tyylisiä. Ei kai edes GW ole niin hullu että poikkeaa siitäkin logiikastansa.
daider kirjoitti:itse veikkaan T5.... nideillä kun tuppaa olemaan paha tapa tehdä tyypeistä kerralla kestävämpiä kun aletaan mutatoimaan. Tosin kuin esim Kaamoksella.
Ai? Millä perusteella.
T4->T5 upgradet ovat järjestänsä T4(5) tyylisiä. Ei kai edes GW ole niin hullu että poikkeaa siitäkin logiikastansa.
Nideillä taas ei
Kts. Exeptional size.
Eli eikai GW ole niin hullu että poikkeaa siitäkin logiikastansa?
Tosin itse myös veikkaan 4(5), herra Chambersin mukaan missile-insta on tarkoituksellista.. vaikka ei setä enään palveluksessa olekkaan, joten eipä tuostakaan taas sitten tiedä
Olisi kyllä mukavaa jos nideistäkin saataisiin oikeasti kova armeija.. Potentiaalia kyllä löytyy.
Deetwo kirjoitti:
Olisi kyllä mukavaa jos nideistäkin saataisiin oikeasti kova armeija.. Potentiaalia kyllä löytyy.
Tuo on ilmeisesti Tyranidi-pelaajien salaliitto. Niillä ei ole paitsi potentiaalia, ne ovat kovia. Jokaisessa listassa on huonot puolensa joten turha siihen on vedota että Tyranideilla on 4 huonoa yksikköä.
Ja Carnifexit: sanotaanpa näin...200 pistettä regeneraatio-Carnia kestää aika paljon. Ellet jotain IWtä/"marines with 35 spcl/Hvy weapons"-armeijaa vastaan pelaa kolme tuollaista on suht` vaikea ottaa hengiltä. Ja taktiset edut ovat huomattavat kun koko vastapuoli ampuu niihin ja jättää kaiken muun rauhaan. Eihän se tietenkään lähitaisteluun ehdi (koska muut Tyranidit ovat jo litanneet kaikki siihen mennessä kun `Fexi tulee paikalle;) ) mutta kahdella Venom cannonilla saa jo tankkeja ravisteltua.
Hyvän analogian löytäminen on yhtä hankalaa kuin...yhtä hankalaa kuin...
Deetwo kirjoitti:
Toivossa on hyvä elää :) T5 warruja voisi jo käyttääkkin, kun ei ihan kaikkeen instakillautuisi.. Ja fexille T7 vois olla kyllä ihan ehdoton biomorphi :)
Noniinno, ei ne nopeammat versiot nytkään ihan kehnoja ole, ravenerin hinnalla saa jo muistaakseni kuitenkin lentävän warriorin, jolla pitäisi jo pystyä suojaakin käyttämään hyösyksi.
Was at Warhammer World At the Weekend and got to see a lot of the new WH 40K models due out before xmas.
(1) The Raven Guard force commander is superb *drools down front of shirt* as per other rumours here, he is armed with two lightning claws, with customised jet pack, modelled by Mark Harrison.
(2) New Attack Bike - not realy impressed with this, couldn't realy see that mush difference to the current one.
(3) New command sprue - *fantastic* the models looked very crisp and very good. The rumour about only one lightning claw is correct, but it will be addressed by a new assault sprue due sometime in the near future.
(4) Commander in Terminator armour - oh my god, this guy is very cool. I haven't personnally seen any pictures of this guy (cue several posts showing me a thread to him). He looks like a cross between the new WH crusaders and the current terminator models, i.e. big sword, big - highly detailled shield etc, very nicely painted, and for a terminator quite a dynamic pose.
(5) Whirlwind model should be out by xmas
(6) New Wave Serpent model
(7) New terminators, not bad minis - but why do they always seem to be so static in pose?
(8) Orks - are to be completely re-done. They are planning to bring back the "fun / humour" into playing an orc army. Based on some of the concept sketches these guys are going to be serious fun to play.
(9) Nid army are being exstnesively re-modelled as we speak. Not being a Nid player I didn't pay a lot of attention to what was being said. All I could pick up was a couple of new new models and several re-designs are being done.
(10) Battle Of McRagge was viewed, the models are ok, but then again it is only designed to bring new players into the gaming world. The model are simple "pop" together design, the nids on the other side - no idea if new or not.
(11) Dark Eldar being re-done - no firm information on what is being planned.
For those non WH40K the new Ogre army looks good, I especially like the Ogre King and the Yetis.
Anyway hope some of this is new, if not please be gentle...
EDIT: Ja laitetaan vielä jotain sekalaisia huhuja:
Jokainen SM armeija saa Venerable Dreadnoughtin, se on edelleen Hard to Kill mutta ei enää Vanha ja Viisas.
Emperor's Champion muuttuu geneeriseksi HQ valinnaksi, se ei ole enää special character.
Terminaattoreista tulee kaksi laatikkoa, toisessa on kaikki heavy aseet ja SBoltterit ja fistit ja toisessa kynnet ja vasarat+kilvet.
Höh? Örkeistä tulee taas "fun/humour"? Ei kuulosta hyvältä. IMO tuo synkempi versio oli 3:s laitoksen parhaita puolia örkeissä. Toivottavasti eivät mene kakkoslaitoksen tyyliin taas.
Toivottavasti Örkit menevät taas siihen funfun meininkiin! Kuullostaa hyvältä! IMO tuo synkempi versio oli 3:s laitoksen huonompia puolia örkeissä. Toivottavasti uusi kirja tuo sen kakkoslaitoksen tyyli takaisin.
Ari kirjoitti:(11) Dark Eldar being re-done - no firm information on what is being planned.
Kuulostaa pelottavalta...toivottavasti eivät noita Eldar-codexiin ahda, jotta olisi mahdollista pelata noita tällaisinaan vielä pitkän aikaa..jos välttävät Eldar codexin niin tuskin GW julkaisee uutta omaa codexia ihan pian..*Thumbs up*
Hyvän analogian löytäminen on yhtä hankalaa kuin...yhtä hankalaa kuin...
As always, this is from a red-shirt so take it with a pinch of salt.
However, the contents of the new command sprue were described as being:
Extar bits that can be added to the normal sprue in order to make:
- A Commander
- A Standard Bearer (thus probably meaning that there'll be a plastic standard ala the
metal one that is currently availble with the BA Honour Guard Boxed Set)
- An Apothecary
- Two Veteran Marines; one of which is supposed to be uber ornate and detailed (so I'm
suspecting new chest plates, shoulder pads and maybe some ornate weaponary).
Yea, I know this isn't much but it did excite me slightly.
don't forget the coolest bitz
Plastic Emperor's Champion bitz (with no templars on them!)
I have heard everybody talk about the new SM command sprue, but I never thought we would get what was shown at Games Day Chicago!!!
Mark Harrison was showing off the new Veterans Sprue and the new Devastator Sprue.
The veterans sprue included weapons and shoulder pads to make your plastic marines look "like they just finished a tour of duty with the Deathwatch" in Mark's words.
The devastator sprue was just a re-package of current chest and leg plastic bits, but it did include a new set of "on one knee" legs. But the reason that it was called the devastator sprue according to Mark, was that it would be packaged with plastic heavy weapons. He wouldn't say which weapons exactly, but did say that it would be more than just the missile launcher.
The iconography on the veteran marine sprues was all imperial, not Ultramarines. At least four or five of the shoulder pads were cruces terminati, one was a laurel wreath two were blank (but ornate), and I don't remember the others. Also, the parts for an apothecary (the apothecary picture floating around is all plastic!) were on the sprue (or was it the command sprue?). No techmarine, chaplain or librarian bits on any of the sprues, but the new space marine commander is all plastic. On top of all that there is going to be a new Marneus (who looks super awesome), and he is going to have a metal command squad just for his own self, including two body guards that are simply beyond belief - they have eagle faced helmets (hard to describe, but looks excellent) and matched power axes that together form an Ultramarines symbol. There are a new power sword, right handed lightning claw (but no match!) and power fist along with numerous other goodies on the command sprue (decorative bits).
Mynssiä jota en ainakaan täältä lukenut vielä. Lainattu joltakin Thothilta (?) GW:n foorumeilta.
Some info for the 40k seminar, as well as whatever I can piece together from my chicken-scratch notes on the new SM sprues:
- First things first - Mark Gibbons is back with the company!
Mark's done a lot of concept work for the new Codex: Space Marines, and his art is used for the final versions of each of the special characters in the new book. They are in-freaking-credible. I'll get back to some of Mark's stuff later on.
- there were NO SQUAT QUESTIONS at the seminar!!! Yay!!! (get out the record books folks!)
- Morale test required to charge a Monstrous Creature.
- New missions will all have a difficulty rating (IIRC: 'Alpha', 'Gamma', and 'Omega', for 'easy', 'normal', and 'hard'). The difficulty of a mission is based on the number of special rules and their complexity (harder = more complexity and rules).
- Two new mission rules: Concealment - units that don't move in the first turn are 'concealed', and the enemy must roll night fight to shoot them. Escalation - both players start with infantry on the board, but big stuff comes in from reserves (put in to help mitigate the first-turn win ability of some armies particularly in high-point games).
- New packaging will have codex icons to indicate which boxes are for which army (good for beginners and parents!), and will feature photos of the models in the box. The photos will have some cool gunfire and smoke effects, much like the pics that FW does for the IA books (some funny stories about the 'special' effects ).
- Space Marines, Tyranids, Eldar. Confirmed.
- Work on Tyranids has already begun, but NO details could be given - the project is in super-stealth mode right now... at *least* ten questions were answered with: "I can't talk about the Tyranids today mate, sorry."
- Codex: SM release notes: 4 NEW boxes, 7 NEW blisters, 2 metal boxes, 4 (?) revisted plastics boxes (more on that later!).
- Many new Psychic powers for Librarians (bringing the total to 6 IIRC), including one that lets the Librarian reroll EVERYTHING (!).
- New plastic attack bike is super-cool. Not much different from the current one, but the sidecar is more built-up, and there are lots of extra saddlebags and such on the sprues. This is from some partial-assembly pics, and those may have been from a WiP.
- New Terminator Assault Cannon (again, WiP) rocks!
- Assault Cannon confirmed: Heavy 3, Rending. Thus spake Mr. Kelly.
- New Techmarine: 2 body styles, with 1 harness that fits both bodies. The Servo-Harness has two powerclaws, a tl-plasma pistol (plasma cutter), and a flamer! Sounds super-pokey!
- Techmarines confirmed to be Elites.
- Lots of new Servitors to go with your new techmarines - Gun (HB or MM), Combat (PF), or repair (tools = + to repair rolls).
- New Whirlwind will have been worth the wait. Radar array similar to current / old-style. Rockets on the pictures of the finished model that were shown had two large mounts (one to either side of the central support), with two big rockets (top and bottom) in each mount. New Codex entry has options for different ammunition types... mentioned were the 'Castellan' minelayer rockets.
- New Ravenguard commander model is great. As mentioned before twin LC, and a really cool jump pack. Don't recall anyone saying before that he has a set of frag launchers built into the jump pack (right above his helmet) - very cool.
- Imperial Fists Terminator Captain Lysander model is even better than the RG captain. Huge Thunder Hammer with Fist icon at the top of the shaft, fantastic pose. Mark G. did all the concept art for both of these guys and the models are really a success.
- More new Veteran models. Mk. 6 with a drum-mag stormbolter, high-crested (like the DA exarch) vet with power weapon, vet with twin LC. These models look way cooler in person than the pics indicated.
- On the subject of Veterans... Vet squads and Terminator squads can take Veteran Skills. Skills mentioned by name were all from C: CSM (tank hunters, furious charge, etc.).
- New Marneus will come in a boxed set with his two Honour Guard (the concept art blew me away... serious cool-factor here). Since the HG are in ornate power armour, and marneus has to be bigger than his guards... MARNEUS WILL BE IN TERMINATOR ARMOUR! The concept art for the New Marneus rocks!
- Chaplain Cassius model is very awesome. The 1st Tyrranic war veterans was a big part of Mark G.'s concept work. Though it couldn't be confirmed, Phil and Mark thought that a Boxed set of 1TW veterans was very likely (otherwise they'll be blisters).
- Speaking of 1TW veterans... Mark had done a couple of pieces for a 1TW veteran Librarian called a 'Hive Mind Psyker'. The idea was that in order to better hunt the Tyranids, and to gain insigt into their plans, a Librarian would take the severed head of a slain Tyranid, hook it up to some crazy life support system (either incorporated into his power armour ior on a staff) so that it could continue to recieve hive mind signals, allowing a properly-trained Librarian to telepathically 'tap-in' and interpret what the Hive mind was communicating (like a one-way biological radio transciever) . Very creepy and zany, but really cool. Mark could neither confirm nor deny that these guys would ever see the light of day with rules and models. Cool idea though...
- Commander Sprue. Small boxed set with 2 plastic sprues:
1 set of legs
A few heads (including helmeted and bare-headed, and one baldy with his captain's rivets!)
A couple of chest plates
6 (?) shoulder pads
Combi-Plasma (RH)
Combi-Bolter (RH)
MC plasma pistol (scoped) (RH)
Bolt pistol (RH)
Power Sword (LH)
Power Fist (LH)
CCW (LH)
Lightning Claw (LH)
Backplate w/cape
Plain backplate
Iron Halo
Terminator Honours
Purity Seals (lots of little parchmenbt tubes etc.)
Fancy Backpack (eagle-headed)
A few tabards
- Command Squad Box. Boxed set with 2 sprues:
The new Command squad / Devastator leg sprue.
5 sets of legs, including 2 new ones - kneeling (sweet!) and a more straigh-on pose (not as 'leany' as the current SM tactical legs). A few new bits (mostly Purity seals and parchments).
Command Squad sprue.
Plasma Rifle
Lots of unique and ornate shoulder pads
Plastic Apthecary bits (Nartheicum, Reductor, Backpack doo-dads, shoulder pad)
Standard bearer bits (standard, laurel wreath)
Company Champion* bits (knightly helm, baroque armoured shoulder pads, and assault shield... with bolt pistol hidden underneath)
*Note: The Company Champioon is a new Command Squad character. Maybe he's replacing the Emperor's Champion for non-Templar forces?
Power Fist (differnt form the Commander PF) (LH)
Power Sword (same as the Commander PS) (LH)
A few Back banners
Heads
Extra bits (terminator honours, some shoulderpads with the crux terminatus, purity seals, etc.)
- 'Revisted' boxes include the current range of SM power-armoured plastics. All will get a new sprue to replace one that they currently have. Assault squads were mentioned as getting more dynamic running poses, and maybe a new weapon or two (along with the obligatory new purity seals and parchments). Devastators get the (duh) Devastator / Command legs sprue...
Phil Kelly has got to be one of the nicest people I've ever met (Mark Gibbons was super-cool too!), he was really cool to chat with and was really great about answering all kiinds of crazy questions all day long. I chatted with him a little bit about the Eldar (just in general, no specifics), and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the new Eldar book is in GREAT hands.
Vaikuttaa siltä että space marine pelaajille(including me) tulee paljon ostamista. Hyvä niin...haluan ainankin tehdä aika uniikin armeijan. Kiitos tiedoista arska ja henkka!
On se kumma että sain potkut työstäni vaikken mitään tehnyt.
Positiivisena puolena 40k:ssa uusi white dwarf mainitsee kirjan sisältävän paljon ohjeistusta maaston teko projekteihin. Tämän ah niin tärkeän mutta usein unohdetun puolen harrastuksesta lisäinfostaminen voi ainoastaan olla hyvä juttu
Joten ei se pelkästään huonoa ole. Katsoo sitten tarkemmin jouluna kun voin kyseisen kirjan ostaakkin.
tneva82 kirjoitti:Positiivisena puolena 40k:ssa uusi white dwarf mainitsee kirjan sisältävän paljon ohjeistusta maaston teko projekteihin. Tämän ah niin tärkeän mutta usein unohdetun puolen harrastuksesta lisäinfostaminen voi ainoastaan olla hyvä juttu
Harmillista maastonikkareiden kannalta onkin se, jos (kun?)
1) mainitsemasi sceneryprojektit ovat vain siinä kalliimmassa kirjassa
2) mutta ne komeat Aquilanraadot vain aloitusloodassa
Aijuu, tämmöinen mielenkiintoinen quote löytyi dakkasta:
oh! no wait, there was more thing: no more hidden power fists. vet sgts and the like apparently now count as characters for being singled out in assault. i specifically asked that in the q&a.
"It's a great excuse to start collecting ANOTHER army. One can never have enough armies and starting a new one is always exciting."
oh! no wait, there was more thing: no more hidden power fists. vet sgts and the like apparently now count as characters for being singled out in assault. i specifically asked that in the q&a.
Ja tuota en usko! Jos fisti kessut + muut voisi taas jyrätä lähitaistelussa niin Demoniprinsseistä ja muista isoista örmyistä tulisi pysäyttämättömiä lähiksessä.
Ari kirjoitti:Ja tuota en usko! Jos fisti kessut + muut voisi taas jyrätä lähitaistelussa niin Demoniprinsseistä ja muista isoista örmyistä tulisi pysäyttämättömiä lähiksessä.
Taitaisivatpa jäädä lähes ainoiksi lähikseen lähetettävistä yksiköistäkin tuossa tapauksessa. Odotellaan vielä se pari viikkoa ja revitään pelihousut vasta sitten.
