Jalkapatikkaa mariinia ja Taukkia vastaan.

[Merrywinds]

Eli olen aloitteleva Ig:n kerääjä, ja kauhukseni huomaan saavani vastaani taukkeja ja mariineita, sekä hiukan lisää kaartia ja niittejä.

Mariinit, taukit ja kaarti ovat kaikki ampumapainotteisia 'to the extreme', nidit ovat aika lailla lähistelijöitä.

Niinpä kysynkin teiltä, hyvät sotulaiset, armeijan rakennusvinkkejä.

Koostumus on vielä aika lailla auki, mutta ajattelin lähteä aika lailla(jalan) liikkuvalle linjalle, eli ei (ainakaan montaa) heavy weapons tiimiä, EHKÄ jokunen russi, ainakin yksi hellhoundi, ehkäpä jopa basilisko. Doctriineja otan, niihin ainakin Afriel Strain(tyylisyistä) ja drop troops(can anyone say three-meltas-in-a-dropping-squad?). Muita ehdotuksia?

(all-infantry?)

[Koda]

Itse pelaan eldareilla ja marineilla joten en voi sanoa kuin vastustajan kannalta mikä aiheuttaa päänsärkyä vastustajallesi.
Raskaat aseet on minusta ig:n vahvimpia puolia. Niitä saa paljon ja aiheuttavat ongelmia jopa raskaasti aseistetuille marineille. Ota pari ryhmää melta aseilla ja deathpack:llä(?) ja pistä ne deep strikettämään: nämä antavat sinulle hyvän mahdollisuuden tuhota raskaat aseet vastustajalta (devastators, tankit...)
Myös epäsuoratuli aiheuttaa viholliselle päänvaivaa. Näitä kannattaa olla vähintään se yksi kipales. (basilisk?)
Kaartia ja nidejä vastaan ei pahasti voi mennä hukkaan heavy bolttereilla ja frag singoilla.

Tässä omista kokemuksista tullutta. Muut saavat pistää omia kokemuksiaan ja ehkä parempia vinkkejä.

(ps. En ole ig pelaaja joten niiden tavaroiden nimet on vähän hukassa)

[Andros]

Jos kaartia haluaa pelata ilman raskasta aseistusta, ovat vaihtoehdot aika suppeat, tässä muutama:

1.
Drop Troops armeija. Paljon erikoisaseita, parhaimpina yksikköinä veteraanit. Sitten toivotaan hyviä resevriheittoja, ja tiputaan vastustajan niskaan. Vaatii toimiakseen taidon heittää onnistuneesti 4+:ssaa, ja hyvän joukkojen sijoittelun. Parhaimmillaan, kun kaikki on okein sijoiteltu ja suurin osa tulee samaan aikaan, on tämäntyyppinen armeija todella tehokas, mutta huonoimmillaan ukot tulevat yksikerrallaan vastustajan syötäväksi, tai scatteroituvat ulos pelipöydältä.

2.
Mekanisoitu armeija. Näin saadaan armeijaan liikkuvuutta. 3-5 ryhmää chimeroilla, ja 2-3xLeman russ. Tämä tosin ei ole mikään infantry lista ole, mutta jos ei ryhmiin halua raskasta aseistusta. Listassa on liikkuvutta, ja jonkin verran tulivoimaa, mutta kärsii hyvien scoring unittien puutteesta. Tämä ei kyllä oikein ole se mitä hait, mutta mielestäni vaihtoehto on hyvin mielenkiintoinen.


Karkea esimerkkilista kohdasta 1.



Regimental Organisation: Drop Troops
Skills and Drills: Veterans
Skills and Drills: Close Order Drill
Allow Special Weapon Squads

Command Platoon (HQ) @ 230 Pts
4 Command Squad @ [80] Pts
Plasma Gun (x4); Drop Trooper
1 Junior Officer @ [40] Pts

6 Special Weapons Teams #1 @ [75] Pts
Lasguns (x4); Meltagun (x2); Demolition Charge; Drop Trooper

6 Special Weapons Teams #2 @ [75] Pts
Lasguns (x4); Meltagun (x2); Demolition Charge; Drop Trooper

5 Hardened Veterans (Elites) @ 83 Pts
Lasguns (x2); Meltagun (x1); Plasma Guns (x2); Drop Trooper

1 Hardened Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Close combat Weapon; Laspistol

5 Hardened Veterans (Elites) @ 83 Pts
Lasguns (x2); Meltagun (x1); Plasma Guns (x2); Drop Trooper

1 Hardened Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Close combat Weapon; Laspistol

5 Hardened Veterans (Elites) @ 83 Pts
Lasguns (x2); Meltagun (x1); Plasma Guns (x2); Drop Trooper

1 Hardened Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Close combat Weapon; Laspistol

infantry Platoon (Troops) @ 220 Pts

4 Command Squad @ [80] Pts
Meltagun (x2); Plasma Gun (x2) Drop Troopper

1 Junior Officer @ [40] Pts

9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
Lasguns; Plasma Gun Drop Troopper

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
Lasguns; Plasma Gun Drop Troopper

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun



Infantry Platoon (Troops) @ 220 Pts

4 Command Squad @ [80] Pts
Meltagun (x2); Plasma Gun (x2); Drop Trooper

1 Junior Officer @ [40] Pts

9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
Lasguns; Plasma Gun; Drop Trooper

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
Lasguns; Plasma Gun; Drop Trooper

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

2 Sentinels (Fast Attack) @ 110 Pts
Lascannon, Drop Troopper

2 Sentinels (Fast Attack) @ 110 Pts
Lascannon, Drop Troopper

2 Sentinels (Fast Attack) @ 110 Pts
Lascannon, Drop Troopper

1 Basilisk (Heavy Support) @ 125 Pts
Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter

1 Basilisk (Heavy Support) @ 125 Pts
Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter

Models in Army: 93


Total Army Cost: 1499

Karkea esimerkkilista kohdasta 2.


Regimental Organisation: Mechanised
Skills and Drills: Veterans

Command Platoon (HQ) @ 176 Pts
4 Command Squad @ [176] Pts
Meltagun (x2); Plasma Gun (x2)
1 Junior Officer @ [46] Pts
Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon
1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]


4 Hardened Veterans (Elites) @ 165 Pts
Lasguns (x1); Plasma Guns (x3)

1 Hardened Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Close combat Weapon; Laspistol

1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]


4 Hardened Veterans (Elites) @ 165 Pts
Lasguns (x1); Plasma Guns (x3)

1 Hardened Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Close combat Weapon; Laspistol

1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]


Infantry Platoon (Troops) @ 466 Pts

4 Command Squad @ [154] Pts
Flamer (x4)

1 Junior Officer @ [40] Pts

1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]

9 Infantry Squad @ [156] Pts
Lasguns; Flamer

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]

9 Infantry Squad @ [156] Pts
Lasguns; Flamer

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

1 Chimera @ [90] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter
Extra Armour [5]


9 Armoured Fist Squad (Troops) @ 155 Pts
Lasguns; Plasma Gun

1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

1 Chimera @ [85] Pts
Multi-Laser; Hull Heavy Bolter

1 Leman Russ Battle Tank (Heavy Support) @ 160 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Extra Armour [5]

1 Leman Russ Battle Tank (Heavy Support) @ 160 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Extra Armour [5]

1 Sentinel (Fast Attack) @ 50 Pts
Autocannon

Models in Army: 60


Total Army Cost: 1497


Toivottavasti auttoi edes hieman.

[leevizer]

Jos sitä jalkapatikkaa kaivataan, ota árd core catachanit. Hyvä lähistely ja assault team on juustoa (melta ja 2 demo chargea=BUM! headshottimaisen kivaa)

[Merrywinds]

Juupajuu, päädyin sittenkin seuraavaan alustavaan kokoonpanoon. Koko armeijaa en ole vielä suunnitellut, mutta päädyin kuitenkin hiukan enemmän tasapainotettuun armeijaan, eli tukeva pohja johon vähän ds porukkaa sa vastapalloa. Fluffi menee jotenkin näin:

The Kialathan Renegades

Although namely Kialathan, the Renegades are nothing like the normal humans that used to live there. And although Kialath is namely a part of the Imperium, it's population is in a complete state of revolution.

Once, there were great hive cities spanning across whole of Kialath, stretching miles upwards and underground. Now there are but ruins and a cold wind among them. The disaster that led to this is well hidden in the great libraries of Terra.

Some 1500 years ago a person called High Commander Kravian from the high end if the Imperial command chain stumbled blindly upon a forgotten porgram called "The Afriel Strain"; an attempt to create the perfect soldier. Hidden from the wiew of others, he worked his plans, taking billions upon billions of living specimen from the fair population of Kialath.

He succeeded, and soon(in some 150 years) half of the kialathans were afriels. The high commander was satisfied with himself, and everything seemed fine. But alas that was not to be.

The Afriels were frowned upon by the normal population, even murdered and cast down from everywhere. So they formed their own society within the normal society of Kialath, a safe place where no outsider was ever let in. A silent hatred bred under the shell of happiness.

Then a gigantic Inquisition of the Ordo Hereticus crashed through the meteoric barrier shielding Kialath from outsiders(nominally the warp-spawned beasts and xenos from nearby systems), demanding the destruction "of the corrupted, heretic population of this cursed planet."

Commander Kravian was an extremely greedy and a selfish person, seeking his and only his own profit. So he ordered the invasion and destruction of Kialath.

At first he tried orbital bombardment, but the millions of meteors and comets circling around Kialath stopped him very short. Planetal assault was the only way.

As the millions of men were descending upon the beautiful surface of Kialath, the Afriels had come aware of the plans of Kravian. They knew it was them that Kravian was after, but they also knew that the Ordo wouldn't give up until every single lifeform on Kialath was dead.

So they planted uncounted bombs on the gigantic cities of Kialath and ran onto the dead, lifeless mountains, where they prepared for war.

As the invaders landed, the huge charges set by the Afriels detonated.

It is said that the explosion could be heard from the obit, which is naturally impossible. Nevertheless, every single hive on Kialath was destroyed in a scene staight from hell, with titanic explosions vaporising everything around them. Lso most of the alnding craft got caught in the planetary hell of destruction.

As a revenge, the Ordo deciced to rain atomic fire on the planet,destroying what was left of the life on the plains and seas. Luckily for the Afriels, the Ordo was thwarted by a xeno expedition, and both the imperial fleet and the ordo got locked in orbital combat.

That was a huge mistake, for orbital combat in an alpha-c rated meteor field is not healthy for anyone. So both fleets got almost comlpetely destroyed.

The Afriels, however managed to survive by taking over the few Imperial leviathans that had managed to land in the midst of the apocalyptical destruction created by the Afriels. Unseen by the fighting Ordo, they crept away from their planet, which was soon after taken over by the xenos.

The surviving, scattered Afriels call themselves the Kialathan Renegades for an obvious reason, and they bear no love for anyone but themselves, as everyone seems to want to annihilate them. Traveling on warzones, they scrape their living by scavengig the fallen and bearing an eternal grude against their Imperial masters who would sooner destroy them than bear the responsibility for creating them.

*Restricted Troops: Abhumans
*Skills and Drills: Afriel Strain
*Drop Troops
*Special Weapon Squads
*Sharpshooters



Kysynpä tähän samaan taktiikoita kyseisiä armeijoita vastaan, lähinnä Tau. Jump Packeja vastaan harkitsin ainakin yhtä Basiliskioa ja mahd. Mortareita. Muuten armeijaan tulee ainakin yksi Inf. Platoon, ainakin yksi Hellhound ja A-fist, pari Special Weapons Squadia ja Russi. Mahd. fire support ja/tai a-tank squadeja.