Mortal Chaos-huhut

[Morhgoz]

thanks. actually, when he said cheap knights, i thought he was talking points. and story for warriors, i thought, background stuff, not models. thanks for clearing it up.

if i am not mistaken, wasnt one of the special characters going to be a khorne demon princess? its strange that that isnt going to be one of the character models made, as to my knowledge there really isnt a GW model readily convertable for it.

[Morhgoz]

A couple of things from the lastet WD preview which I haven't seen mentioned: The war alter is called a Chaos Warshrine and there is apparantly some new background about "The coming of Sigvald," whomever that is. The preview also (re)confirms the Troll King, the Forsaken, the models previously shown as well as features in WD #347.

Sigvald is a Slaaneshi special character in the new WOC book.

Khorne taas on saamassa demoniprinsessan...

Welcome. Since you haven't posted on this thread before and so probably haven't seen a lot of the information, I'll gladly tell you that all we know right now about the Daemon Princess is that she is Khornate. I know, weird right?

hastings warseerissä paljasti jotain Archaonista...

Archaon on Steed 685 pts, mount of the apocolypse enables him to treat difficult terrain as open ground

[Morhgoz]

Yo guys, somebody who told me they saw the book (they said this to me so i cant confirm this) said that one of the tzeentch spells is cast on a 15, and does 2d6 strength 2d6 hits, if you roll an 11 or 12, the unit your casting on dies.

I personally thought this probably wasn't correct, but its what i was told so i thought i would sling it on here.

Somebody else told me one of the nurgle spells is, take an initiative test, if you fail, take an armor save, if you PASS you die, becuase you get sucked into the ground. (your armor weighs you down and you cant escape)

Again i cant confirm that is true not having seen the book, but he seemed quite sincere about it being true.

I did try to find out if anybody can take spells from the normal lores but couldnt get any info on that.

Tzeentchin spellin on varmistettu, joten Nurglenkin tuntuisi varmalta...

Chamber of Everchosenin listaus kaikesta mitä tiedetään, sisältää muutamia mehukkaita tietoja:

Well, finally got it done. Hope this will keep things tidy and will stop people from asking silly questions when the answers are right under their noses:


Rules:
- Army wide re-roll panic
- Mark of Khorne causes Frenzy, has different effect for Giant
- Mark of Nurgle causes -1 penalty to the WS or BS of a model attacking
- Mark of Slaanesh benefits the unit with Itp, also gives ASF to characters and rare choices
- Mark of Tzeentch gives +1 to ward save (6+ ward to models without one), also +1 to cast for sorcerers
- May be other effects for different units but if there are, they are currently unknown
- Gaze of the Gods table, roll 2D6 for the following:
- Characters roll every time they win a challenge
- Chosen roll once at the start of the game
- Trolls roll every time they successfully regenerate two or more wounds at once
- Chaos characters may now take Chaos Gifts on top of Magic Items, much like the VC's Vampiric Powers


Models:
- new plastic Knights (5 for 17.50EURO)
- new plastic Horsemen (5 for 17.50EURO)
- new plastic War Hounds (10 for 20EURO)
- new metal Chosen with Great Weapons
- new upgrade sprue for Chaos Warriors (direct only) containing GWs, Halberds, and God-specific bits
- new metal heroes:
- Wulfrig the Wanderer
- Sigvald
- Nurgle Sorcerer
- Khorne Champion
- Khorne Lord on Juggernaut
- Undivided Lord on Chaos Steed
- rumoured release of second wave plastic War Shrine kit
- Spearhead is released on October 18th (170EURO) and is now available for pre-order on maelstrom games; contains all the definite models listed above aswell as the army book
- main release for November 1st; battalion will be available with 12 Chaos Warriors, 16 Marauders, 5 Horsemen, 10 Hounds


Special Characters:
- Archaon; 675pts, still has Dorghar, is unhindered by difficult terrain
- Galrauch
- Sigvald; Slaanesh champion with mirror shield, gets distracted by own reflection in shield causing stupidity
- Wulfrig the Wanderer; Marauder character, animal in challenges
- Khornate Daemon Princess character
- "The Lightning God" Shaggoth character; 2nd oldest Shaggoth
- Gerriodur the Troll King; "Lord of the Monstrous horde" rule allowsarmy of monsters


The List:
Lords

Chaos Lord
Exalted Sorcerer
Daemon Prince

Heroes

Exalted Champion
Aspiring Champion
Sorcerer

Core

Warriors 15pts
M4 WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I5 A2 Ltd8 AS4+
Shield:1pt/model
Marauders
same as before
Hounds
same as before but do not cause panic in rest of the army
Horsemen 14pts
may now take marks

Special

Knights
M7 WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I5 A2 Ltd8 AS1+
Have magic weapon that confers +1S basic; thus making them S5, may be exchanged for a lance; thus making them S6 on the charge but without magical attacks
Chariots
Chosen Warriors
Forsaken Warriors
Trolls
Ogres
may now be marked
Dragon Ogres
may now be marked

Rare

Spawn
Giant
may now be marked; marks differ
Hellcannon
Shaggoth
may now be marked; marks differ
Chaos War Shrine
chariot type model, gives benefits much like the Dark Elves' Cauldron of Blood; allows one per turn to roll on the Gods table as one of its benefits

[Seraphi]

*********************** Miksi ihmeessä piti laittaa Warrut noin kalliiksi? olisi nyt pysyneet alle 15pisteessa >:(

[Rinkeli]

Miksi ihmeessä warrut ovat noin halpoja. Kattoo stattiriviä nii huhhuh.

[Finet]

No saihan ne sillä yhden pisteen lisähinnalla toisen lyönnin ja chaos armourin. "Jes!"

Onko tosta Gaze of the Gods taulukon tuloksista muuta tiedossa kuin, että 2:lla stupidity ja 7:lla ei mitään?

[Mayhemia]

Cool.

Taitaa tulla iha pelattava armeija, vaik vähän pelkään et joku sankari neroilee 3+ wardin itemien sekaan.

2+ wardin kaaos lordi ois varmaa aik' veikeä laite.

[Morhgoz]

*********************** Miksi ihmeessä piti laittaa Warrut noin kalliiksi? olisi nyt pysyneet alle 15pisteessa >:(

Ovat itseasiassa 5 pistettä halvempia kuin aikaisemmin, ovat nimittäin HOC:in choseneitten stateilla...

[Mayhemia]

Miksi ihmeessä warrut ovat noin halpoja. Kattoo stattiriviä nii huhhuh.

M4

[Bartholen]

Yo guys, somebody who told me they saw the book (they said this to me so i cant confirm this) said that one of the tzeentch spells is cast on a 15, and does 2d6 strength 2d6 hits, if you roll an 11 or 12, the unit your casting on dies.

Tuo vaikuttaa kyllä aika epätodennäköiseltä. Kiva siinä sitten, kun joku rullakuski powerstonella munkittaa tuon, ja sitten sanotaan: "Sori, mut noi sun 10 wraithia niinku kuoli".

[Róbó-Tónó]

Yo guys, somebody who told me they saw the book (they said this to me so i cant confirm this) said that one of the tzeentch spells is cast on a 15, and does 2d6 strength 2d6 hits, if you roll an 11 or 12, the unit your casting on dies.

Tuo vaikuttaa kyllä aika epätodennäköiseltä. Kiva siinä sitten, kun joku rullakuski powerstonella munkittaa tuon, ja sitten sanotaan: "Sori, mut noi sun 10 wraithia niinku kuoli".

Mikä rullakuski se on jos sillä on powerstoneja? Ja jotta tuon spellin voi saada vain jos omaa Tzeenchin markin, eikä pelkkä 1lvl rullakuski sitä varmaan osta. Kuitenki vastustajallakin on niitä rullia jolla voi tuon estää, irkkulle ei voi mitään, kuitenki on sama mahdollisuus heittää miscasti niillä noppamäärillä joita tuohon pitää käyttää. Ja jos ne 10 wraithia kuolee on se oikein VC pelaajalle jos sellaisia käyttää. ;)

[blackmetalsiili]

Kyllä toi paljon mielenkiintosempi on kun demonien vastaava. Saako osaako joku tarkentaa missä vaiheessa (Strena/osumat) noi 11/12 pitäs heittää vai onko sillä edes väliä?

[Finet]

Kyllä toi paljon mielenkiintosempi on kun demonien vastaava. Saako osaako joku tarkentaa missä vaiheessa (Strena/osumat) noi 11/12 pitäs heittää vai onko sillä edes väliä?

Veikkaisin strength-vaiheessa, harvemmin strength on 11 tai 12... Aikamoinen spelli taas keksitty.

[Morhgoz]

Lisää tietoa, varmaa sellaista, kaverilta joka on kirjan nähnyt:

- Marauders are now 4pts basic
- Hounds can now get upgrades, either scaly skin or poison attacks for 3pt/model
- Forsaken stat line:
M6 WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I5 AD3+1 Ltd8 AS5+
Two Hand Weapons, Frenzy
- War Shrine cannot be joined by characters and moves and fights as a monster. Has ~4A. In the shooting phase, any characters within 12" must immediately issue a challenge if they are in combat and fight it. If they win they get to roll on the Gods table. Note that by this benefit from the Shrine, they can get a roll in the shoot phase and the combat phase if there are enough models to challenge. The information on this is a little hazy and so take this part with a grain of salt until I can get a more in depth explaination.
- Lore of Slaanesh is pretty much the same as in Hordes.

Eli saankin suomuiset hauvani oikeasti suomuisiksi, jes...

Sama kaveri varmenti miten forsakenit toimivat:

Nope it's D3+1 +1 for XHW +1 for Frenzy. The exact example I was given if you roll a two on the dice for attacks they would have four attacks each.

[Lord Mikke]

Tuleehan siitä nyt ainakin monipuolinen, annan GW:lle Nobelin palkinnon vuoden parhaasta hinnoittelunmuutoksesta. Sii C'moon! KAIKKI tärkeä kahellakympillä! WUHUU! JES! :D
Mikäs haamuarska tuo muuten on olevinaan?

Charrut kuulostaa fantastiselta, mutta olisi kivaa jos saisivat edes ne demonien omat ensin hyllylle...
Warruista nyt sen sillai, että ihan saman verran niitä otetaan kuin aina ennenkin, mutta nyt niitä kannattaa ottaa kentille. Saas nähdä tuleeko markkimaraudereista jotain ihmeellisiä virityksiä: Flail, khornen status ja joku kiva lippu voisi olla aika mukava nyt näin paperilta käsin katsottuna.
Nihdit on kovia, mutta ei onneksi niin kovia kuin pelkäsin niiden olevan. Speciaalien luettelo on suorastaan mauton, käyttääköhän kukaan enää ikinä chariotteja listassa, ellei ole tekemässä niitä 8+ pellelistoja.
Shrine kuulostaa aivan ihanalta, ei välttämättä tehon, vaan tyylin takia: Kuinkahan moni pahastuisi jos laittaisi 5th cauldronin täyttämään tuon virkaa? Muutenkin tuollaiset on asenteellisia.
Hellcannon selviää kun kirja tulee.

Kaaos pysyy kaaoksena, kyllä tästä näkee että aina pelätään liikaa, mikään armeija ei toistaiseksi ole ollut mahdoton voittaa, mutta tosi aggressiiviseksi ainakin ollaan menossa. Kunhan Lore ei ole liian tuhovoimainen ja itemit pysyy jossain määrin järkevinä niin noilla mennään. Näkee loppuratkaisun kun kaikki kirjat on uusittu.
- Yaaaarrrr!!

[Morhgoz]

Ai niin, forsakenit voivat kanssa ottaa markkeja, sitä mitä Khorne näille antaa, ei vielä tiedetä... Death frenzy vaiko hatred..?

Oma Khorne -armeija tykkää uusista huhuista. Marauderit entistä halvempia eli niitä saa enemmän, tarkoitus on tehdä pari yksikköä iha n"alastomia" maraudereita luolamiesteemalla, parikymmennen yksikkö ilman lippua oli sadan pisteen tienoilla... ;D

Pitää kyllä hommata toinenkin yksikkö warruja additional hw:llä, shieldillä ja Khornen merkillä...

[Morhgoz]

Ok guys I got the definite way the War Shrine works from the source.

The range of it's effects is 12", and the benefits are used in the shooting phase. I'm not sure how many benefits it can give, but one is that one unit in range can roll once of the Gods table.

All Chaos character have to issue challenges if able also and when they win they roll on the table.

Hope that clears up that and gives everybody something to be excited about. Makes Slaanesh characters something to really be feared.

[Morhgoz]

Greetings to all...


Ok, I've finally recovered from LA Gamesday, and have some info on the new Mortals of Chaos Book.


*7-8 Special Characters; Only 2 are Archaon, one in Lord form (current) and one in Hero form.

*Dragon Ogre Shaggoth Special Characters: Starts with a K or C (I was really drunk at this point) but he's called "Sun Eater" due to his background and Special Rules. Mostly '8's in stats, carries a Great Hammer that does D3 Wounds and he can call upon Lightning to strike his enemies or himself/other Dragon Ogres...

*Slaanesh Special Character: Former Prince of some far off kingdom, only son to a King who had many daughters and prayed to all "gods" for a son...Slaanesh heard him. Lived a truly graced life, rain won't fall upon him, wind won't ruffle his hair, doesn't really touch the ground, extremely beautiful, etc. But, he's extremely twisted on the inside as he is attractive on the outside...

*Khorne Special Character: A female who's wandered the Northern Wastes of Chaos slaying all in her path, faced a Slaanesh Daemon Prince who attempted to make her his bride and lost his head for it! She then battled her way into the Realm of Chaos, slayed many many lessor Daemons of Khorne to lay the Slaaneshii Daemon Prince head at the base of Lord Khorne's Skull Throne, but was mortally wounded on the way to it. She places the skull there, then dies, but because Khorne was amused and appreciated her "style" he resurrected her, but in a slightly more appeasing form...so she has a Bloodletter's lower body!

*Marauder Special Character: Mighty warrior, took his tribe all throughout the Northern Wastes slaying all, gets really hammered one night on his 4th kep of beer/mead and announces to all that he's the mightiest warrior in all the lands and all the realms/dimensions...of course the Dark 4 hear this and curse him to prove it! He rides a Marauder boat with his tribe and are forced to bounce around from land to land, realm to realm, dimension to dimension and face the mightiest fighters in all! Special rules allows him and his unit to appear from any table edge!


*Chaos Warriors: Yup, all come with Chaos Armor, WS(5), A(2)?...Chosen are WS(6), A(3) and a Special slot. Automatically roll once on the Eye of the Gods chart at the begining of the game.

*Chaos Knights: No Chosen, but lots of upgrade options, all have Chaos Armor, and A(2) base. Specails

*Chariots of Chaos: Specials, cheaper and can be bought in pairs.

*Dragon Ogres: Now Specials, have Command model options, and Phil said they benefit from the Army Wide Special Rule...

*Chaos Trolls: Some upgrade options, and Specials. Chaos Troll Special Character is said to be nasty...

*Chaos Ogres: Can have Marks of the Dark 4, and are Specials.

*Eye of the Gods chart: Very similiar to the old Chaos Gifts cards from 5th Edition, some units/characters roll on it once at the begining of the game. Then roll each time they slay an enemy character in a Personal Challenge and offer up the remains to the Dark 4...all rolls/effects are cumulative.

*Hell Cannon: 1 Rare slot, has "Daemonic Gifts" upgrades.

*Chaos Giant: Can be Marked, is a Rare.

*Shaggoths: Rares, and can be Marked. Better stats now for similair points cost.


*OH YEAH!!! The book itself is about 128 pages, and crammed full of tons of Fluff, and timelines of events! LOTS of great new artwork to go along with the book.


Enjoy guys!

Oh BTW guys, just found out off a guy over at TWF that the Troll King has some special rule called Copious Vomit. Does D6 vomit attacks instead of his normal 5A @ S6.

Troll King is WS5 S6 T5 W4 A5, and transfers his Ld 8 to all trolls in the army, and makes them core. In addition, all chaos ogres, trolls and dragon ogres can use his Ld. w/i 12 (even if not general), and they can re-roll break tests. His vomit is D6 S6 hits w/ no armor save, and is magical. In addition, he can use a S5 Breath Weapon once per day. Also benefits from Eye of the Gods table.

Forsaken-esque character is a Special Character

Chaos Knights are 40 pts.

Shaggoth SC acts as a lightning rod, attracting any lightning based spell cast w/i 12".

Will add to this myself and tell you that the Shaggoth SC also has S8, A6, and does D3 wounds.

Chaos Knights caused fear.

MR3 is an ablities you can get from the table.

Also, Chaos Trolls are 45 pts a model.

Just a couple more tidbits.

theDarkGeneral posted this info, as well as some other stuff you may wish to add to the summary:

-Chosen are WS(6), A(3) and a Special slot

-Chaos Knights have lots of upgrade options

-Chariots of Chaos: Specials, cheaper and can be bought in pairs

-Chaos Trolls: Some upgrade options

-Shaggoths better stats now for similar points cost

Although some of these are pretty unspecific, as your summary is the ultimate source, the people will want to know

Scyla is not a special character but a rare choice that is treated like a character.

The Special Characters are:- Kolek Suneater (DOS), Galrauch (Dragon), Throk (or Throg) (Troll), Sigvald (Slaaneshi Mortal), Wolfric the Wanderer (Undivided Marauder), Archaon (FOR THE VERY LAST TIME - 1 VERSION - ON MOUNT - END OF!!!!!), Valkyre the Bloody (Female DP of Khorne), and I suppose you could also include Scyla as a named character.

I was the one who posted about Wulfreg the Wanderer, Elazar The Glorified. His special rules allows him and his unit of Marauders to enter the table edge from any side, much as Dwarf Miners do.


Daemon Princes from the Mortals of Chaos Book will actually remain better then the ones from the Daemons of Chaos Book...

On the Daemon Prince model topic...


I was told by some of my buddies from GW Baltimore head office, that yes indeed there's a new Daemon Prince plastic kit coming out (Feb?) and it's loaded with lots, and lots of conversion pieces, from arms and weapons to Dark god specific Marks!

[Lord Mikke]

Ihan kun tossa olis kaikki huhujen parhaat puolet nivottu yhteen ja päätetty että nyt on meillä kiva army book...
Okei, Hellcannoneita saa useamman, Stat 8 character (what the?!?!?). Chosenit warruina on aika kivoja örmyjä, tosin niinhän ne on aina ollu. Eye of Godsista en mene sanomaan, näkee sitten miten pelaa.

*Chaos Knights: No Chosen, but lots of upgrade options, all have Chaos Armor, and A(2) base. Specails"

No oli jo kyllä vähän aikakin. Rukkaavat pisteitä ylöspäin, mutta perusnihtejä voi kuitenkin nyt käyttää.
Kirjassa on ainakin lukemista, ja muutenkin kuvastot jne. kuulostaa hyvältä. Vielä kun nidonnasta ei tarvitsisi nipottaa ja sivut eivät olisi tylsiä niin pääsisi top- odotuksiin.

On hienoa nähdä että tällainen formaatti on hyvin tulossa toimeen omillaan, mutta vähän taas pelottaa, mitä kaikkea siellä teoksessa sitten lopulta on. Kun hahmoista tulee tuollaisia jässiköitä niin herojen määrää pitäisi pelissä joko rajoittaa, tai sitten pistemäärää lisätä tai jotain, verratkaapa uutta keisarikuntaa warriorien uuteen tulemiseen.

[Machine_Spirit]

On hienoa nähdä että tällainen formaatti on hyvin tulossa toimeen omillaan, mutta vähän taas pelottaa, mitä kaikkea siellä teoksessa sitten lopulta on. Kun hahmoista tulee tuollaisia jässiköitä niin herojen määrää pitäisi pelissä joko rajoittaa, tai sitten pistemäärää lisätä tai jotain, verratkaapa uutta keisarikuntaa warriorien uuteen tulemiseen.

Jaa, onhan se chaos kovempi lähiksessä, mutta keisarikunta ampuu vaan niin helevetisti, nyt kun ajattelee niin yllättävän tasainen, jos empire sa ammuttua puolet chaoksesta, mutta kun choas pässee lähikseen se tuhoaa blokin kerrallaan, ja empire tuhoutuu paniikkiin.